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I just found some info on a Japanese Mantis site that Sun De would be from Cui Shoushan line.

http://tanglang.csidenet.com

Cui Shoushan (1890-1969 CE) was a student of Song Zide. He also wrote...

Wow really good dynamics going with this thread. I think we have touched on some issues that merit their own thread. Anyway, I would like to address some of your comments.

Hi Ursa,

I almost...

Thanks for the info. I am not acquainted with them. Sorry if I have cause confusion for others.

I appreciate the correction. Thanks

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Hi Tainan,

Great info. Thanks for sharing that. :)

<<<But one thing you notice is that the final move is the waist chop, it is near the end of the 7* version.
I have long suspected that this...

This is a Taiji Praying Mantis form. It is a version of Bengbu done by the Son of Sun De who has a few VCDs out in the market. Please note that Sun De and Sun Delong are not the same the same person....