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You are wasting your time, though I admire your effort.
If anyone still wants to buy into this guys act, let them.
Tiem to bury this thing, all that can be said has been said and pretty much was...

Nobody ever said it was anything BUT that.
No one goes looking for spirituality in MMA, though I ma sure many that train and compete may very well be spiritual, just like there are spiritual boxers,...

See, that is the issue, you equate MMA training and competition ( it isn't a style or system) with the values of TMA and that is just silly, just as silly as doing that with wrestling, baseball or...

yes, and incorrect.



NO, you haven't, how do I know?
Because of this:

Religions in of themselves tend not to be insane, organized religions and zealots on the other hand, to tend to be "out there".
I just don't like blanket statements.
Its a failing I have.
:D

Quite correct, organized religion is, in many ways, the opposite of spirituality.

No need to single out anyone one way or another.
We don't know enough about people to make that call unless they themselves decide to label THEMSELVES in such a way.

You group people into a "mma crowd" based on what?
People that have used MA for real, as in to save lives, perhaps their own, perhaps others, cane be as sipritual or as less sipritual as competitive...

You know as much as I hate when other make generalizations about TMA and such, it works the same about pretty much anything.
Don't generalize, it shows lack of understanding and of being objective....

I really don't think that you or Fraud108 wants to get into a "lineage " debate.
As for spirituality, you have no idea of other peoples spirituality, just as they have no idea of yours.

Considering I probably knwo more PERSONALLy about Masons than these people that probably have never even met, one, that doen't bother me in the least, after all, my family is descendant of the Order...

I know a few Masons, a couple that are very high up.
Nice guys.

They're getting better it seems !

LOL @ the lone tag for this thread !!!

Forms? never heard of her, she anything like this one:

Some people confuse liberty with freedom.
Some people forget that " if you vote, they will rule".
Some people forget that "consumers dictate economies"

In short, some people don't like to...

Pfft !@
Glorified kickboxer

I deal with enough politicans here, you can keep yours.
:D

LMAO !!
Nice one !

You guys know that Kennedy is dead, right?