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    Poll: Is this discussion STILL going on? It's like a...

    Is this discussion STILL going on?

    It's like a 20+ year old thread! WOW!
  2. My take, on never actually being at Shaolin, but...

    My take, on never actually being at Shaolin, but seeing Songshan Shaolin around me as it spread, is that there are "Historical" reenactors, theatrical performance players, certainly the Chinese...
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    Do you specialize in Taizu changquan?

    Do you specialize in Taizu changquan?
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    Poll: OMG!!! I have been gone for YEARS!!!!! I come...

    OMG!!!

    I have been gone for YEARS!!!!! I come back and this thread is STILL on the top!!
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    Poll: So, I have not been here in YEARS!! Yet THIS...

    So, I have not been here in YEARS!! Yet THIS thread is still at the top of the pile.... :D :p
  6. It's a Hakka thing. It refers to the body method...

    It's a Hakka thing. It refers to the body method used during power generation/alleviation.
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    Poll: With over 18,000 posts, and over 2 MILLION views,...

    With over 18,000 posts, and over 2 MILLION views, this may very well be the single largest thread in all of the interweb.
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    I seem to remember that site. Is it connected to...

    I seem to remember that site. Is it connected to Shaolin Master by chance?
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    Very true!

    Very true!
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    That depends on the stye you are doing. To me,...

    That depends on the stye you are doing. To me, Moslem long fist looks like kick boxing, with some takedowns and joint locks added. The really old military based stuff uses a very simple striking...
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    Actually, I got the concept originally from Shuai...

    Actually, I got the concept originally from Shuai Jiao. Later as I was learning my martial history, I discovered that forms were never the major part of the curriculum. Fighting was. Prior, to at...
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    Then there is the old way; No forms at all. ...

    Then there is the old way; No forms at all.

    You begin with conditioning, learning of techniques to teach the principals and strategies of the style as well as how to deal with incoming force. You...
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    I disagree. Learning the opponents possible...

    I disagree. Learning the opponents possible counters is essential to learning the applications. A fight, is a thinking man's game. It's like playing chess, only in real life. One needs to be taught...
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    I think the Hakka set "San Zhen" might fit this...

    I think the Hakka set "San Zhen" might fit this category. Although, even it, is mainly body mechanics drills linked together. You can take them out as stand alone exercises/qigongs, and they work...
  15. Hmm, I have seen this a lot in performances from...

    Hmm, I have seen this a lot in performances from Silat groups. Their forms are often really intimate looking dances with their blades. You don't see that in western schools, because we are much more ...
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    Which is exactly why I teach the form last.

    Which is exactly why I teach the form last.
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    When I do teach (I kind of don't anymore), I...

    When I do teach (I kind of don't anymore), I teach all the techniques in the form, footwork, training drills stored in the form, qi gong stored in the form and everything else, but the choreography...
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    There were some good apps here. Although many of...

    There were some good apps here. Although many of them were done at a distance, leaving the defender open for knockout shots. Others were not actually the motion or energy seen in the form...which is...
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    Well, Ok, I can't argue this. However, I gave one...

    Well, Ok, I can't argue this. However, I gave one example of the use of that technique. Of course you can use any technique in a variety of ways. Heck, after a while you forget all techniques anyway....
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    That is the old way. According to my studies,...

    That is the old way.

    According to my studies, forms were the LAST thing taught. They were constructed of the techniques one fought with, as they were fought.

    Originally they were a diploma so...
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    A lot of the stuff I do has a Shantung origin....

    A lot of the stuff I do has a Shantung origin. Basically it's the same, old school, pre Moslem Long Fist military arts that were preserved at Shaolin in the Song dynasty.

    The forms are unique, but...
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    Minor modification sure. One has to adjust to the...

    Minor modification sure. One has to adjust to the dimensions of their opponent and all that. Breaking the principals of the technique, no.

    There are a lot of Kung Fu schools who can fight....
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    This is my problem with almost ALL Chinese apps...

    This is my problem with almost ALL Chinese apps of moves. The action of the application is never the move you do in the form. However, in the Indonesian preserved stuff I have done, the motion in the...
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    [QUOTE=wiz cool c;1243055] I agree completely....

    I agree completely.

    However, if the attacker forward momentum brought him closer, the sudden drop in height would aid in shoving his knee off to the side to destabilize him.

    If you ignore the 2...
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    Well, this is only true if the teacher is good....

    Well, this is only true if the teacher is good. So at Shaolin, I would expect there to be lots of high quality teachers. Although, it seems they are not the face put forth. more like the underlying...
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