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Yes Sifu Robert, alot of the WengChun fist footage looks so much like Shaolin Tao, Sui Da, Fa Kuen. The similarities are uncanny....

Wondering if they had any exchanges in Guangzhou, Fatshan or...

Shaolin Weng Chun aka Shunde Weng Chun aka Chan Yiu Ming Weng Chun

Sets and names.

少林永春拳套路...

I was talking about Shunde Wengchun( 顺德永春拳 找錢華 拳術) and the Sets and the book was talking about, the forms
And this 3 forms are found in Shunde Wengchun/Chan Yiu Ming Lineage

Fakuen
Fut Jeung...

Record of Chan Wah Shun battling Wong Fei Hong

http://baike.baidu.com/view/1497683.htm

与黄飞鸿切磋武艺...

Leung Jan as recorded by the chinese goverment in Fatshan
http://www.foshanmuseum.com/mrmj/mrmj_disp_sub.asp?id=117
Clear mention of Leung Bik

梁赞（约1851-1918），武术名家　
佛山市博物馆网站——名人名家
...

http://www.foshanmuseum.com/wbzy/xslw_disp.asp?xsyj_ID=261

Ip Man in fatshan as recorded as by the Fatshan Chinese Goverment

佛山市博物馆网站——学术研究

刘建乐 佛山市博物馆副馆长　
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The Ving Tsun was teached to the "Young Lords" of FatSan by Chan Wah Shun, and between those young ones, there was the most famous 'till today: IP MAN

"My grandpa managed the Ip Family finances....

The references I have from goverment to the wingchun families in china, are not related to Ip Man Lineage in blood, neither do they owe Ip Man to mention Leung Bik. They are telling you the evidence...

This is good information. No where I have heard this, so its interesting. I have learnt something today. Thank you.

There was a reason for the 8mm filmed, that we see today. Even though he was...

This thread was about factual truth. This is exactly why I do things in great detail from all families, show historical evidence of interviews and even goverment text like Heshan China Goverment.
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Bart cham dao

Here we see a edited video that Master Lun Gai said Ip Man didnt teach pole and

bart cham dao in Fatshan
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Thank you, I got misled many years back by websites and believing

stories that didnt come from reliable sources which I suspect were ego motivated to push

their name up above others. Alot of...

Here its is clearly stated in Yiu Choi lineage he did not teach Ip Man in the chart by Yiu Choi descendants
http://www.gaopeigen.com/asp-bin/gb/?page=8&class=36&id=59

And the video states very...

So to add to the western world research on Leung Jan's Sons, irregardless of the dispute on their skills, lets establise them to have been real people first.

According to Yiu Choi Lineage, Leung...

No worries, just air your thoughts.
Like I said in another post, I was trying to present some material not known or unheard of in the western world. Its no secret, its just not translated, in...

Just wanted to share something that makes all this who and who, who is better than who stories seem so small
Personal cultivation, that is the hard part.
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Yes that is a fair post, Who beat who, who lost to who, these kind of stories dont honour them, or wingchun since we cant verify.
and I think the best way to remember these Giants of Wingchun is...

Now on to some interesting videos that are relaxing....
Donnie Yen as Ip Man

甄子丹"葉問"專訪(上) Ip Man: Interview with Donnie Yen part 1, 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciJR2AhN2FY...

You brought up a good example, if one did not understand or read cantonese one would ask these questions and perhaps misinterprete the story.

No, Master Gwok Fu said he was being taught by Master...

Yeah I heard that one, and I know where it comes from, and there is so much more in terms of "rumours" of conflict. I was told Ip Man was smashed with a Poi Pai Jeung in that fight you mentioned....

The main reason I posted the thread on Yip Man, Leung Bik, was that this information was not available to the west, and its all still in chinese. Only for those who really want to see the other side...

UltimateWC,
Nice points, agreed.....

Interesting point Jim, I didnt know that about the Laos versus the Fungs.

I was sent this by a practitioner in Kulo village, is this the full syllables...

Great post, thats why I seeked mainland china to find the evidence of Leung Bik's existence- and found it written on their goverment websites in Kulo Heshan. From there we can try to understand what...

Chinese say, one day as a Sifu, one life time as a father
And to honour the Sifu, the way, ancestors

These years I have heard many stories on Yip Man, whose decision to teach wingchun in...