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Don't be silly, it wasn't a lie... all those others just made a "common misinterpretation".

PB translated it all better, is all.

:D:D

Sure, Graham. We are all agreeing with you.

But... who did the translation?

:D:D:D

LOL :) "... at least according to Bayer."

Okay, it's the lens' fault.

Like I said, happy for people to train how they wanna train, use whatever definitions they wanna use.

Good for you, Graham.

So why does PB do it?

I don't know how you can see to type on this forum, considering that you've watched the videos and can't see the obvious.

(if you are legally blind, I apologize. It would...

You were converted, you mean? Initiated into the church? :)

Not too keen on dogma. Sorry.

The irony here, taking into account that the 'feel around' is actually more 'touch and go', is that what you just wrote sarcastically, is actually what he does.

He uses bong (contact). He uses lap...

You say PB does not redirect. In the videos he uses bong sau and it redirects.

Case. Closed.

I was trying to use something that you idiots might relate to. I thought a mythical creature that has avoided video detection and logical scrutiny might be it.

You know, something that would fit...

Even PB himself is seemingly not using your ideas. :D

Sure. If you believe the Loch Ness Monster exists, then for you it exists. If someone tells you that the word Kiu actually means the little toe on your left foot, and teaches you how to kick and...

Oh, they won't be silent for long, Glenn. They just won't answer the questions and face up to the facts - the facts present in the very videos they post (and call 'Epic', etc).

:)

You're posting in the wrong forum. Re-read what I wrote. Try to understand that various lines of YM Wing Chun, plus many southern systems that grew up in close proximity to Wing Chun, are using the...

So please show me PB using bong or pak to KO someone.

I wrote:

If you watch the countless clips of PB, you can see that he uses bong, pak and lap often. (nothing wrong with that).

Is the...

In case you missed it... :rolleyes:

You don't need to train other Southern arts. But if you know nothing about them (or about other martial arts in general, for example), you are training in a...

Nice. I show you how you have backward logic regarding translations and how it makes no sense for you to claim "correct" in this regard... but I am the c**t. :rolleyes:

When someone punches at me I seek to strike back, of course; but yes, while striking back I seek to intercept their punch if I can do so in a way that dominates the center line. I don't want to...

Your level of arrogance is simply astounding, Graham. :( How can you say I am wrong, and hanging on words, when you freely admit that you take the translations 'as anything'?

Backwards logic. If...

Great :rolleyes: But the term Kiu, across different Chinese MA systems has some common traits. The common trait is in reference to the arm.




Are you reading what I am writing? Read my...

Just so I understand, you are taking the word Kiu (in context) to mean bridge, and bridge alone?

What I am trying to convey is that to use figurative/analogy based descriptions is limited. Of course you argue all day long about how this works or doesn't work in reference to an actual/real bridge...

Using the words bridge, and bridging, and using the reference of a real bridge to, say, cross a river, works to illustrate a point - but only up to a point. Eventually the reference breaks down. Like...

You don't intercept an attacking limb?

But what else do you understand the word Kiu to mean? Nothing to do with it being a verb or not. Definition, as used in Chinese MAs.



When did I say...

To add, I am asking this to clear up the misunderstanding of terms. :)

If Graham sees PB using bong, pak and lap, but doesn't see that as redirecting, then we should probably discuss a definition...