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    Wu Zu temple and Hui Neng

    One thing I just found out and also find VERY interesting is that the temple where Hui Neng supposedly received his transmission of Dharma and inherited the cotton robe at "Wuzu Si (五祖寺)"...
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    Indeed. you know thats the jist of Ch'an,...

    Indeed. you know thats the jist of Ch'an, forgetting all that stuff anyway. Its another world, academics. Ch'an on one side is its own world as a practice, as is the practice of scholarly pursuits,...
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    well to be fair, the argument is totally...

    well to be fair, the argument is totally irrelevant, in the perspective of Dharma, Dhyana, and transmission of the teaching of Buddha, it literally does not matter. I have to say that as a big...
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    just a thought..... we also have this discussion with Shaolin wugong.

    Hui Neng certainly took the teachings South. now whats so hard for these numbskulls to connect the dots?
    how does one go to say "legitimacy of ch'an comes from the south" .....????

    a blind person...
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    more research going on....on my quest for the...

    more research going on....on my quest for the ultimate Ch'an (lol, sounds so cool) I run into two types, the Shaolin antagonist and the Shaolin protagonist. Though I say I am bias to Songshan...
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    The Caodong sect is said to have been founded by...

    The Caodong sect is said to have been founded by Dongshan Liangjie (洞山良价)(807–869), you can google his name and find a lot of information. My initial frustration came from feeling like popular Zen...
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    this link has some info on some of the lineage, ...

    this link has some info on some of the lineage,
    http://www.shaolin.org.cn/templates/EN_SL_new_T/sl_new.aspx?nodeid=362
    theres also the writings on the steles/ pagoda forest that give the lineage...
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    5 houses of Ch'an

    from a historical (not secular or spiritual)perspective, when I read up on the history of Zen, it seems like authors shy away from Shaolin almost on purpose.
    for instance in the wikepedia article...
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