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    Poll: Lian wu zhang

    One of the other interesting things about Lian Wu Zhang. When I was taught in SD, it was stressed that as you execute the spinning motions, you should form an "X" with your hands and keep the motion...
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    Poll: Probably not. :) Thanks tho. I think once...

    Probably not. :) Thanks tho.

    I think once you've PRACTICED the difference between the original version of a form and the changed version (as in JQ and LWZ), you realize exactly how and why the...
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    Poll: You can kill that list

    1. Shaolin-Do is definitely not original material (in terms of actual forms) from Shaolin. It doesn't mean that techniques and some foundational principles are not conveyed. But it isn't THE shaoiln...
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    Poll: 5 ancestors fist

    Did some training over the past year in basic routines of 5 Ancestors Fist (Wuzuquan/Ngo Cho Kun).

    Found a lot of interesting likenesses between that art and SD's core techniques and forms. ...
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    Poll: IWUF (International Wushu Federation) 32 Form...

    IWUF (International Wushu Federation) 32 Form elementary sets (for beginners):

    Jianshu
    Qiangshu
    Daoshu
    Gunshu

    Somehow The' wound up with the IWUF standardized wushu spear form. IWUF was...
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    Poll: Agreed. Having learned some of those forms like...

    Agreed. Having learned some of those forms like 5 Stance fist, 18 hands (2 man form & the modern Shaolin version), and Xiao Hong Quan after I had studied SD for a decade, I can say that there...
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    Plato's cave

    Vegetarians are like eunuchs in a harem.

    They lop off the one thing that gives them satisfaction and spend the rest of their life in pursuit of the very thing they have denied themselves.

    Eat...
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    Poll: No. Qiang Shu is a pretty common routine that he...

    No. Qiang Shu is a pretty common routine that he could've picked up anywhere. I have a conspiracy theory now that involves the Jing Wu Curriculum.

    I parted ways with my CSC Atlanta school 6-7...
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    Poll: Duh

    Agreed. I meant, of the actual form, not the copyist.:rolleyes:
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    Poll: Yes, and both still teach it. Our Luo Spear has...

    Yes, and both still teach it. Our Luo Spear has characteristics of the Luojia style (same with Yang/Meihua), but I haven't quite seen a carbon copy like this one. I'd be curious to know the origin...
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    Poll: Found our Practice of the Spear form

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML-MP_VQRvU

    Here's the original version of our Qiang Shu Lian Shi "Practice of the Spear Fighting Techniques." It's practically the exact same form...
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    Poll: 2 pages in a year?

    Man, this thread died out. Good thing, too. I'm guessing that most people found their answers to the first post.;)

    Been lifting a lot and working core (6 days a week)---almost have all of the I...
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    Poll: I'd say this. You don't have to be ashamed of...

    I'd say this. You don't have to be ashamed of what you do. An you don't have to duck your head at your accomplishments. You also don't have to misrepresent the source either. There's freedom in...
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    Poll: The bartender of the dive isn't standing on...

    The bartender of the dive isn't standing on higher moral ground. He admits, tacitly, that he's keeping a dive. If he cleaned up a little, he might scrape together enough tips to hire a bouncer.
    ...
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    Poll: "Authentically learn"? "Stole" mental content or...

    "Authentically learn"?
    "Stole" mental content or body postures? Lol. The only thing "wrong" is the fraud of calling an original form by an ancient name in order to sell it to students.

    What...
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    Poll: Lian Wu Zhang has much more of the...

    Lian Wu Zhang has much more of the crossed/shackled hands, and is taught as a family of Jie Quan. It's not, in reality, as far as I have researched through Jing Woo contacts and students of Su Ke...
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    Poll: But it's not just its own thing. Everyone who...

    But it's not just its own thing. Everyone who practices at brown belt level will recognize Jing Woo Jie Quan (see here). There are differences in the form, but they follow the same general pattern....
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    Poll: Yeah. I learned flexible, adaptive, spear,...

    Yeah. I learned flexible, adaptive, spear, straight sword, and stomping--plus then non- 8 immortals crazy mad drunk. Can't remember parts of stomping and straight sword. Anyone have notes on...
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    Poll: Yes and no. It's a Chinese-indies art. A...

    Yes and no. It's a Chinese-indies art. A Chinese community in Indonesia. Consider Ching yen and what we know about it---Liu us peng, tad djie, and whoever else taught there. What are their...
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    Poll: But as for nomenclature, if I'm talking sd to...

    But as for nomenclature, if I'm talking sd to people , I always say that I study kuntao--whther it's sd or Ingram, or suwanda Silat--and CMA . I think sd deserves some credit for its Indonesian root...
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    Poll: Sd guys often try to find the missing link (get...

    Sd guys often try to find the missing link (get it? Lol) between ggm sktj and GM the, but it's not out there. GM the taught 3 or so forms from seven star mantis that I have seen and still...
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    Poll: That's not all too easy. Kuntao forms and Silat...

    That's not all too easy. Kuntao forms and Silat forms are a lot different than CMA (huas, seven star mantis, etc), and they're diverse. I'd say step one ( and this has always been my primary...
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    Poll: It doesn't matter what he says, for the most...

    It doesn't matter what he says, for the most part. He has spread many versions of his own lineage, and what he says cannot be trusted. Now there's just the art, as it is in the hands of its...
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    Poll: That's right. I'm quoting myself, because you...

    That's right. I'm quoting myself, because you need to hear it twice

    The fact that your masters had their (possessive pronoun) school means something

    There's a good chance your lineage would be...
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    Poll: Lol. Again, hilarious. They had the freedom to...

    Lol. Again, hilarious. They had the freedom to come here, open up business, and flourish. Now, regilation America ain't exactly free, and that's a shame, but your masters do owe a debt of...
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