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For the record I've seen plenty of good performers that are lousy "technicians". Just putting on an impressive looking show doesn't mean youre doing the moves right, understanding the moves, or have...

Well I was just pre-empting the argument that if you're a good fighter it doesn't matter that you do made up forms without knowing the apps. That seems to be the fall back when one can't counter the...

Not to be picking on you JP or putting you down (I know you can handle criticism) but you're an SD black belt and didn't know that app. The guy in the video I referenced had on a worn out black belt...

Sorry I didn't explain completely. It's not just kicking the hand, specifically kicking the hand with the high toe kick.

People like to put their hand really high then kick it trying to be...

I think he drives by Qi, not eyes. :D

Anyhow, I just want to contribute to the discussion objectively. The human mind is really good at rationalizing things. Like with the hypnotist shows. Give...

Well it matters in the sense that the current response is that the forms might be made up but the underlying material is solid. I disagree based on what I've seen so far.



I just feel bad for...

The video is here.

I have a keen eye for this stuff because my own style (Wah Lum) does this alot, and I see students make the same high kick mistake. But I would think a Black Belt would know...

From what I've seen on video I'm still not convinced the moves are correct or valid. Previously on here I posted a link to a 2000 demo in Kentucky (the cane tonfa's) and I see moves ranging from...

Guess you didn't see my post in the other thread where I posed a few questions nobody cared to answer. And no, what ge wrote doesn't make sense.

Higher ups attempting to salvage their piece of the...

As if he doesn't already know. :rolleyes:

A couple hundred pages similar to the previous couple hundred pages.

Until now.

During this big long thread I've heard SD guys say finding SD forms in other Shaolin books and videos proves SD is real Shaolin.

So if something taught in SD shows up in a book generally...

I haven't seen a whole lot of SD but what I have seen even the techniques look shady. What I saw of the Mantis set was a form full of finger poking with mantis hands, something you rarely see in...

Yeah that's a knee slapin' good form right there I tell ya what.

Better yet how about using 2 canes like tonfa?

Most here agree choreography (forms) isn't all that important to them and are more concerned with the validity of the techniques. What I haven't heard is anyone address the multiple styles issue...

I still say people put way too much into choreography. But then they should not have been passed off as something they're not.

Anyone (with sufficient training) can put together exercises, line...

Not even a link?

You really gonna make us go to Crapshido for the info?

Lucky you - but do you know the apps for it? :D

900 pages, let's go!

Edit: Dang, not yet.

Controversy? Concerning SD? Nah, couldn't be.

A Shaolin Temple discovered in Colorado with a hairy Monk picture carved into a rock maybe?

Will this news generate a few hundred more pages on...

First post and it's on the SD thread. Not off to a good start there bud.

But welcome anyhow.

That's Northern Mantis Bung Bo. You guys have that set but call it Yin-Yang Mantis?

Don't forget Shek Kin, I think he started the recent celebrity death trend.

Coughing up a hairball when attacked?

Dog stance chases you over the furniture?

No, you said the rear foot was turned inward and the front outward so it doesn't matter which foot is forward. And my original example had them separated but the second one was a quik showing.

So...