There's a ton of misinformation in the Encyclopedia.
I don't see that Xiaosihui is the same "technical species" as the other roads, unless you take the eighth as the same set, just perhaps a...
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There's a ton of misinformation in the Encyclopedia.
I don't see that Xiaosihui is the same "technical species" as the other roads, unless you take the eighth as the same set, just perhaps a...
In the Nanyuan there is both Tongbeiquan and Tongbiquan. They are often called Da and Xiao, but they are in fact separate subsystems.
We say Renshou Tongbiquan to differentiate it from other...
My doubts and opinions have been laid out in this 27 page thread. There's no need to repeat it for another 4 or 5. That's why I say I'm bored with this thread, but readers can follow from the...
Well, SHemmati, I'm glad you got things figured out for yourself and you can rest easy. Not everyone agrees with you though, but I'm bored with this thread and don't care anymore. :)
Honestly, what I see in the version shown in those videos is the Xiaosihui (the Kanjia style of Nanyuan Tongbeiquan) mixed with Xiyuan Tongbeiquan. It looks like it may be a Xiyuan version of...
Nope. I say the Dengfeng Daluohanquan and the 54 posture set are both recent extracts from the fuller system shown by Liu Zhenhai. (Extracted at different periods likely last century, at least the...
What I meant was section 1 & 2 in the Encyclopedia. That's Dengfeng Daluohanquan in sequence throughout, which doesn't contain the Paoquan techniques and is different from the 54 posture set,...
No. The section at the end of the 54 posture set with Paoquan actions is not found in the Dengfeng Daluohanquan, nor in the Encyclopedia, which is Dengfeng Daluohanquan complete in section 1 & 2 with...
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Why not? The legend retold in those videos suggest generations of Shaolin monks created all of Shaolin martial arts themselves through a process of seated meditation leading to simple exercise and...
True, we can some times get clues from what is said in the instructional videos. It is also good to question all possibilities to get to the bottom of things, to see where different roads might lead....
Yes, I can see that written there in the description. I've never seen him mention any manual though. But SHemmati, "boxing manuals" doesn't refer to any specific historical text. Many boxing manuals...
That isn't the name of a specific text. It literally means "Shaolin Monastery boxing manuals". It's a generic term. A boxing manual could be anything. The abbot's recently published books are all...
I looked at the video again. I don't see where he mentioned any manual that he was quoting from...?
He was retelling the common legend of the evolution of Shaolin martial arts, from seated...
Actually he said; "According to legend this Taizu Changquan was trasmitted by the first emperor of the Song Dynasty, Zhao Kuangyin. In those years, Zhao Kuangyin learned boxing in the Shaolin...
Well, sure. That's why they are named Luohan Shiba Shou. That was the case for Xiaosihui at least, and the Huaquan Luohan Shiba Shou is also 18 postures, but not even from Shaolin. :)
Yes, that is the common legend of the evolution of Luohanquan, which may be true. The only thing is, this set is not Luohan at all, only by namesake. It is not related to the rest of Luohanquan.
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The Encyclopedia doesn't actually say that though! It just gives an introduction to an 18 road Luohan system. Then it shows 9 roads of things we know not to be related.
If you take everything...
I don't know, but in our sect it is just the one road. Coincidentally, my shishu also does Baguazhang. I don't know what branch, but I'll ask what he knows.
I had my previous suspicion confirmed by my shishu (who is currently in Shaolin bringing back some material at the request of the monastery) regarding the identity of this style. It is indeed the...
It's even recent history. Are you just ignoring the fact that there are people who remember the construction of sets just a couple decades ago? We have to stay objective.
Attributing? No one...
@SHemmati,
I think you are still stuck on several parts RDH tried to explain earlier that should be made clear. Here's a breakdown:
1) Jintong Xiaoluohanquan is an extract of the long set (LZH...
I think if Zhu Tianxi in fact has another complete Luohan system learned from Shi Degen separate from Liu Zhenhai's, then that would show Shi Degen had two different yet related Luohan systems...
That doesn't necessarily follow. Shi Degen knew soooo much. Different people most certainly got different pieces of his knowledge. Besides, we have several different sources saying the same material...
Those appear to be extensions of the extracted portions from the system Liu Zhenhai presents. As far as it would appear, Liu Zhenhai is the only one to have presented a complete Luohanquan system...