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Riightttt.....now I know your full of it. :D and pompous ;)

I didnt understand either until I met the idea in action, you might try it one day, you might like it.

Not what I wrote...
We train different methods, GH understands , you dont, I could care less, your rather pompous anyway.

"Someone who is looking at Ving Tsun and has not spent enough time with...

Often we see moves being invented to accomodate misunderstood hand actions. Like trying to make the dummy 1:1 application, with overturned stances, due to the idea that the dummy is man we move...

Its not just 'identifying' the line , its what we fight on, an idea based on interception along an impenetrable line.

Constantly attacking , an ability to make attacks with every move striking...

Totally different methods....lets leave it at that.

Had to bite my lip on a rebuttal :D lets leave that stinking pile of bat guano where it sits in Aridzona way back then, lets move on together and try to stick to VT.

NO ! there is no kwan sao in...

Stop trying to make me think literal chinese will explain it all. I leaned to read , write and speak cantonese. I am rusty and my teacher moved, so its not a resume' qualification by any means.
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The truth doesnt always bring out the happy side of people....:D

Er ..no, you're wrong, blind in fact , but thanks for trying to make us see your view. You don't even understand my idea, but you argue it ...? who's that make black & white then...?
I have...

you're missing my point, you're trying to give kwan sao [ your thinking] an application in chi-sao scenarios for refacing with bong and tan against strong pressure on your arms from a partner doing...

so you're basing this off a scenario of two guys with equally extended arms fighting like chi-sao ? One has 2 hands on yours like chi-sao and your trying to regain face , doing chi-sao ? And your...

:confused: this a classic example of, what ? Done by itself or your chasing, meaning ?


So to regain facing a strong structure, you just kwan sao it ? 2 arms better than one, eh ?

oh dear....

Read my first post as an answer....

We should not see 'bong' in a fight, bong does not stay...a bong held in the in the air is a dead bong. Monty python sketch, this bongs dead, no its not, yes it is, not its not, I just saw it move !...

Lets break it down ...Kwan is what ? a tan and a bong done together, right. Why would we do this in a drill or real fight ?

1) we re scared and need to block bad guys evil arm with not one arm ,...