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If I'm ever knifed by a small ninja, I did it all for wing chun.

Here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE9PyuyVTEI

EDIT: That's a big drop, holy crap.

Fair enough.

Why didn't you include Shuai jiao and Sanda/sanshou in there?

So, most fighters use more than a handful of moves in clinch?

Not true, he calls people names on the internet like a child, while hiding this behavior from real adults for the most part.

Yes, all those clueless kung fu folks doing qin na flows, which are by their nature qin nas and the easiest escapes from them, are completely unaware that standing locks are escapable. You win the...

I'm not sure what "playing caramel sauce" is, but I'm certain someone can provide a pic of hot eastern european women demonstrating.

Not for me, of course. For the less morally upright of you...

Is there any argument that the most common way to see someone get cuffed when a sole cop is doing the cuffing is to twist the arm behind the back and cuff them against the cop car?

The most...

EDIT: the post you're responding to was hinting at the idea that most kung fu styles have a much smaller number of qin na and throws than what you find in books of just qin na and throws: I assumed...

It's not my point to say "This is the Chinese answer tobjj and judo," or that, if had the time and money I wouldn't be in a judo class. I mess around with various holds and locks on the ground, and...

I understand, but the argument cited is that the groundwork from the manual is not from his grandfather's manual, but from judo(or, alternately, the 1919 Shanghai manual, or, alternately, from...

Here is another interesting discussion on the topic:

http://judoforum.com/index.php?/topic/41376-chinese-grappling-arts-historical-manuals/page__hl__tim%20cartmell

Several credible statements...

I'll try, over the course of time, to rundown the ground techs common to both, and their apparent differences.

Don't let this interfere with the flamers' flaming.:D

I'm relieved to say that was not an involved process.

The techniques considered basic ground fighting techniques in the two manuals are not numerous. The 1919 manual, as was pointed out in the...

Okay, in the discussion I did manage to find regarding the book chin na fa, there is a repeated error that isn't helping in clearing up the issue(whether the 1936 book by Liu Jinsheng was judo...

Okay, looked for the discussion on the book chin na fa discussed earlier, the closest thing I could find lead to an interesting read on several possibly related issues, but unfortunately I couldn't...

The problem with the argument that all TCMA has throws and locks is that the reality is, all tcma has some of those, but not the same parts, and most do not have a vast comprehensive body of each.
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We're not supposed to get to this part of the discussion until page twenty-eight. You're giving away the secrets, man.

My point is you often see standing locks, however, it's just not standing in the sense of "you're magically held in place here in mid air", which no one is arguing here, but several(not you) are...

No one is suggesting a static use, and I'm pretty sure for cops the choice of a car is very common, since that's often the context in which some cops are dealing with people, but the ground is also...

Damo invented the Japanese people, so your point is moot.

Where is this debate taking place?

Traditional chin na, in some branches, had pieces of it, and some branches still train those pieces. Largely single techniques, yes, like arm bars on the ground, guillotines, common chokes and locks...

A huge number of throws that are used a lot begin with locks in order to force motion in a narrower range that transfers into the throw. There is escape from locks, but only in specific directions,...

:DNo, nothing too eastern can work. If an ancient greek man hasn't gotten his hands over it like it was an ancient greek boy, it's not practical.:D

This is why the Romans were so ghey for the...