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KFB, there are a couple of problems with this post. Fighting is fighting but not all fighting is good fighting. The reason we train is to fight well.

The problem with something looking like...

I remember the 1st time Ali fought Ken Norton. He was worried about looking good and ended up getting his jaw broken.

Good fighting should let you look good after the fight is over. :D

If you are worried about hand shapes and elbow position and how to step correctly then you are not fighting, you are training.

In the Marines we were taught there are 2 types of fights, those you...

James, I had a chance to think about your "average joes" comment. Anybody who has trained a couple of hours a week for 6 months or so is no longer an average joe. Your average joe doesn't train and...

Hi James, the pros were merely examples of people who have inside fighting skills and are not wing chun players. As for assuming read the posts in this thread. The discussion seems to stop once the...

Victor, I wasn't commenting about Wing Chun's limits at close range as much as I was saying there are other styles that like the inside game also. So, don't assume you have an advantage just because...

Very interesting so far, but what I don't understand is why you assume you will have an advantage once you have acheived your close in range? Care to trade in close with a Mike Tyson or a Joe...

Victor, this isn't just a wing chun issue. Boxing and Muay Thai ran into the same problems in the early UFC fights. It didn't mean they couldn't be used any more it just meant that they needed to...

I agree, this has been an interesting thread! :eek:

I think the most interesting part is the fact that the majority of people here are in violent agreement with each other. The major points have...

How about if I use boxing as an example as it has both long and short range striking.

A jab or cross is a long range punch, the structure used to deliver that punch requires a certain amount of...

Darn you and your use of logic! BTW, I thought Wing Chun was supposed to be easy to learn. :confused:

Fighting looks like fighting. UltimateWingChun, I disagree with your styles comment. ...

Morning y'all.

I just wanted to jump in with a little discussion on sparring. Sparring is a training tool much like drills or pad work or hitting the bag, it is not fighting. The only way to...