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Ren, that Luohan video he posted is the one of the guy that you were looking all over for to learn his Luohan Quan from.

Lao Hong Quan, which one?

There is the series of 3 sets that are practicing in the Denfeng village area that are called Lao Hong Quan, it's a mixture of Shaolin Rou Quan and Hong quan, it was said...

Yeah, but all these "scholars" are not doers, (even though they are agreeing with me) they don't know how to do the forms they write about, so they don't see what reality shows, that all the moves in...

Well, the trouble is that ther are a lot of Xiao Hong Quan and Da Hong Quan forms all over China, they are all different.

Some are based on tai tzi and some are based on Moslem martial arts.
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Bah. I emailed him many times and he doesn't discuss.

I know how to do both the Shaolin Tai Tzu and the Chen Lao Jia
and what I am attempting is a table that shows move by move what is the...

Yep, the internal version is nice thing to see.

When you see internal version of such Shaolin forms, you can see how Chen tai ji developed out of Shaolin's Tai Tzu, Hong Quan, Pao Chuoi, and other...

This isn't Shaolin Xiao Hung Quan, it is taiwanese Tai Tzu Quan from the Mai Hua Long Fist system.

What you are correctly observing is that both forms come from the same roots, Tai Tzu Long Fist.

An abridged version of THAT?
THat's one of the shortest Shaolin forms, why would
anyone bother making it any shorter?

THis guy does the form not so modern wushuy but still very external.
If you...