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    Its a start and training WC against boxing is a...

    Its a start and training WC against boxing is a step in the right direction IMO



    Why not indeed, I don't want it to appear from my previous post that I'm against mixing things up if one has the...
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    I've cross trained, pertinently in Western Boxing...

    I've cross trained, pertinently in Western Boxing and WC to me is more an approach to combat rather than a definitive set of technique.

    That being said Western Boxing mechanics are quite different...
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    I don't know I think he is kind of onto...

    I don't know I think he is kind of onto something.

    Dave
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    Gotta say, there seems to me nothing more vague...

    Gotta say, there seems to me nothing more vague than an "internal" description of a MA, why overcook things?

    Dave
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    Yes I agree, and its not a problem more a...

    Yes I agree, and its not a problem more a question of emphasis, again in my experience, the handle behind the centre of the blade facilitates thrusting actions better and would naturally offer more...
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    a question about handles

    Discussion about the quillion aside for the moment, I'd like to ask Kev and Graham a question about their training knives.

    Graham, if I'm viewing the picture correctly your knives have the handle...
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    That's like saying swallow and float are straight...

    That's like saying swallow and float are straight techniques in White Crane...

    Dave
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    Anything done as a drill could be said to be...

    Anything done as a drill could be said to be “isolation training” but the problem with classification schemes is a semantic one – everyone has to agree on the definitions.

    I did like the clip from...
  9. Yeah, sorry, got excited...had downed a couple of...

    Yeah, sorry, got excited...had downed a couple of king browns.



    Kev sort of answered it here I think, contact is redundant as soon as it fails to affect the opponent's cog via ballistic force -...
  10. Yep, I and I'm sure Glenn appreciate PB is good,...

    Yep, I and I'm sure Glenn appreciate PB is good, without benefit of contact (it's on my bucket list) your opinion is sought.

    I'd say there is quite a bit of control going on - not a bad thing just...
  11. Good question Graham, what do you say?

    Good question Graham, what do you say?
  12. Agreed Glenn Dave

    Agreed Glenn

    Dave
  13. G’day Glenn, Yeah, funny you should mention...

    G’day Glenn,

    Yeah, funny you should mention boxing, its great for giving perspective and learning to respect individual style. You also learn to appreciate sabre rattling for what it is – a sugar...
  14. Well the opponent of course. If the cog is moved...

    Well the opponent of course. If the cog is moved abruptly it has a correlating effect on the cns, much like when you slip and catch yourself before falling over there is a pause, a break in movement...
  15. Each to their own, however, I think you’re...

    Each to their own, however, I think you’re labouring under a misconception.

    What this is really all about is the application of force and whether it is continuous and controlling (sticky) or...
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    Agree, IMO application combined with individual...

    Agree, IMO application combined with individual preference and ability is the source of martial development.

    Dave
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    I'm sure practitioners of Bak Mei, Nan Tong Long,...

    I'm sure practitioners of Bak Mei, Nan Tong Long, Tai Chor, Bai He, etc. would say the same thing




    I'm not saying these styles are synonymous or advocating to perform individual technique...
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    I don’t view WC/VT as you do. Specifically, I...

    I don’t view WC/VT as you do.

    Specifically, I don’t view WC/VT as something particularly unique, a niche certainly but not unique - it wasn’t developed in a vacuum after all.

    There are a few...
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    I certainly think this is a possibility, I...

    I certainly think this is a possibility, I personally do play SLT/SNT like San Jan sometimes with the use of various degrees of tension to condition the "structure".

    I'm not saying its THE way to...
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    San Jan (Saam Chien) is a widely practised form...

    San Jan (Saam Chien) is a widely practised form in many styles south of the Min River (MinNan).

    If we are talking White Crane it originated in this area (Yong Chun) near Putian and I have some...
  21. Agreed, not in an intellectual sense that's true...

    Agreed, not in an intellectual sense that's true but the reverse is also pertinent to the discussion - knowing the engineering details doesn't prove you know (or can advise on) how to drive.

    Dave
  22. This is really the crux of the matter isn’t it? ...

    This is really the crux of the matter isn’t it?

    Authority through intellectual understanding just doesn’t cut it with physical pursuits.

    There are after all, nine (I think at last count)...
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    Can unfortunately become an end in itself and for...

    Can unfortunately become an end in itself and for the discussion at hand a source of argument between WC players that bemuses, and with a good dose of superiority complex, irritates other MAists.
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    True but I think WC is actually a victim of its...

    True but I think WC is actually a victim of its own (modern?) emphasis on concepts. Styles that are more balanced in their emphasis of concept v’s technique are more forgiving of variations between...
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    Yes, but I agree with Glenn you need a balance,...

    Yes, but I agree with Glenn you need a balance, it's also worth mentioning that this is also what the dummy (muk jong) is for.

    Dave
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