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    the problem i think in american film is there are...

    the problem i think in american film is there are not enough opportunities for asian men to participate.. i think of all the films "airbender" etc, where they still pick white actors to play asian...
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    true. the thing about using labels we're trying...

    true. the thing about using labels we're trying to deconstruct is that ultimately all labels are simply that.. limited definitions of something with perhaps some partial truth. and yet still, even if...
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    my response to original post and definitions of masculinity

    reposting my last two comments...

    regarding my own experience to my original post (the first one)...

    in my experience, shifus and students don't make any issue out of gay/lesbian and don't talk...
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    thanks for confirming. living in the U.S. and...

    thanks for confirming. living in the U.S. and based on my exposure too... most native speakers of chinese i know, or those immigrate from chinese speaking countries later in life don't go around...
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    bawang, it's an interesting way to fight the...

    bawang, it's an interesting way to fight the stereotype, by choosing to highlight some hyper masculine standard to define masculinity... but i don't think it's necessary. for example, just b/c it's...
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    not gonna bicker with you, bawang :). we're on...

    not gonna bicker with you, bawang :). we're on the same team.
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    very true. tx for bringing in historical context

    very true. tx for bringing in historical context
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    yeah, we decide where we put our energy. our...

    yeah, we decide where we put our energy. our intention feeds the direction
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    cool, thanks for sharing. in my...

    cool, thanks for sharing.



    in my experience, shifus and students don't make any issue out of gay/lesbian and don't talk about it. but i do observe among TCMA folks some gayphobic teasing, most...
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    females in traditional chinese martial arts

    bumping original post..

    hi folks,

    the times are changing and as we've seen at the recent tiger claw
    tournament in san jose.. a strong presence of female martial artists. i also have a question...
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    i know! but i think a lot of folks shared before...

    i know! but i think a lot of folks shared before that happened so that was helpful. that and i think my boredom keeps me coming back here. sheesh.
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    nope! sure didn't. i can read at an "advanced...

    nope! sure didn't. i can read at an "advanced level" according to formal studies although i'd say it's more intermediate. verbal fluency is fine but do have to look up more advanced vocab words. so...
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    ok since you just wrote a very interesting thread...

    ok since you just wrote a very interesting thread on rape prevention, albeit dark, i'll entertain you for a sec. yes taiwanese people can understand chinese. there.

    it's a beautiful language.
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    more interesting discussions going on in other...

    more interesting discussions going on in other forum threads. i'll check back again later for responses though, but somehow i think this thread is dead. know when to redirect attention :rolleyes:
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    hey, it's fine, hskwarrior, thanks for the...

    hey, it's fine, hskwarrior, thanks for the support, but it's fine. i think bawang and raz's true values have come out.

    i only came to the forum to gather opinions and i'd rather hear the raw and...
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    nah, i'd actually rather argue that no one person...

    nah, i'd actually rather argue that no one person gets to decide. ultimately it doesn't matter what you as an individual, bawang, thinks no matter how authentically chinese you claim to be. it is...
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    i'm from taipei.

    i'm from taipei.
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    hey, i'm not here to convince you to change your...

    hey, i'm not here to convince you to change your mind, nor anyone who doesn't see the value of women in martial arts. it's ur choice who you choose to train with.

    as for pushing my "moral decay"...
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    again, u keep talking about whether "women" can...

    again, u keep talking about whether "women" can survive that. and my question is would YOU survive that.
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    one of the reasons some brutal training...

    one of the reasons some brutal training strategies were modified and rules were made to make competitions safer is b/c people who were training were simply getting dis-abled and killed.

    bawang,...
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    ok, so the problem with broad terminology like...

    ok, so the problem with broad terminology like "traditional chinese martial arts" is in making any general statement with sweeping generalizations there will always be a wide variety of histories...
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    other responses i never got to... although it...

    other responses i never got to... although it looks like the tangent has taken off completely by now.



    lucas, i have a shifu in praying mantis style that told me about this subtlety that women...
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    getting to responses... well, if you want...

    getting to responses...



    well, if you want to live according to stereotypes and sentiments of the mainstream, it's your life, who am i to argue? btw, u keep bringing up the "equality" argument....
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    so, by your analysis... -- if they are feminine,...

    so, by your analysis...
    -- if they are feminine, soft, and refined (which by definition is tied in with less "ability" or "nature" to fight or take a hit).. that constitutes "femaleness". since...
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    it doesn't matter if they are currently outliers...

    it doesn't matter if they are currently outliers given the present involvement of female martial artists.they are still women. to even have a woman participate thousands of years ago, period, was...
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