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Training for self-defense it the catch phrase for people who don't train realistically, but want to convince themselves they are.

Kung fu died a long time ago. It was killed by the invention of forms.

The things in those forms are not sweeps, set ups, throws, takedowns, takedown defense, or blocks.

What they are is dancing around and doing movements in the air.

And that's exactly why teachers who developed systems that rely on forms being passed down had systems that became mostly useless and obsolete.

The teachers who, instead of categorizing their...

It's just a stupid for them as it is for any other system.

And you won't find judo practitioners trying to pull out techniques from their katas. They learn their techniques in practice against...

Any fighting applications taken from forms is ridiculous.

Just look at the ridiculousness of trying to pull out grappling applications from the forms in this thread for a perfect example of how ridiculous the whole pulling out techniques from forms is.
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Getting fighting moves from a form is about a useful as getting fighting moves from reading Chekhov or Hemingway.

Jumping rope is a side conditioning device that supplements the major boxing training that resembles the way the real fighting is performed.

There would be no problem with chi sao if it was also...

That was one fighter going to one seminar. Doesn't mean he does much training in that method.

The early days of MMA/NHB had a few silat practitioners. They got destroyed.

I'm not sure what those pictures have to do with working with compliant partners, other that showing Burns being a...

That was pretty much the philosophy of this guy and his students before he got introduced to reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I

You are the one with the misunderstanding and missing the point of developmental drills.

The heavy bag is a valid developmental drill in that it trains many of the the same attributes that will be...

You fight using the skills you learned to fight with.

Chi sao would be great for developing fighting skills if fighting was anything like chi sao, but it's not.

Sparring is definitely not the be-all/end-all for street prep, but it sure prepares one for the street way better than does chi sao.

Shadow boxing is a dynamic set of of moves and techniques that are individual to the practitioner and come from his actual experiences with fighting.

Forms are set sequences of moves that are the...

Kind of ironic that this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Z8Gpq-RUY&app=desktop

is the one criticizing that clip.

It does pretty much sum up his essence though.

Because it highlights the essence of trying to pull techniques from forms. The only difference between doing it from a form and these kids' dancing routines is that the forms are labeled martial arts...

Yeah, this sure looks like kickboxing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Z8Gpq-RUY&app=desktop

I guess someone else was living in movie and fantasy land also.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bEmRciqlnFo

This one has all the kung fu techniques in it- marching, kicking, outer reap, chopping, leg seizing, embracing, cracking, dip jang takedown , shaving,...

That was done in the 1970's. What they were showing was light years ahead of the forms clips that you showed from that same era.

As far as the hands up, the bigger guy is Richard Bustillo. He's a...

The only thing chi sao develops is the the ability to chi sao.

Most forms schools show applications against compliant partners. Doing techniques in this manner isn't any better than simply doing them in forms.

You'd think a guy who supposedly trains contact...

I don't think you ever showed them like you said you could.

Go ahead and show where they are in your traditional Chinese martial arts system.

Haaha... you are more deluded that I thought you were.