Bak Mei Sifus Around the World

[tnwingtsun]

I guess because he's higher up on the Bai Mei food chain, I don't know,to make an educated guess I would say because Chin Dor was a top student when Kwong first put on his grasshopper shoes,those were Kwongs words(by words I mean the "Uncle" thing) according to Chin Dor,we've all got our grasshopper shoes don't we?,good question Kull,I'll ask for us both,I'm here to learn also. Peace

[Eric]

Maybe I am misinformed but I belive there is something wrong in your list there.

You list Pan Nam there and then list Eddie Chong as a student of Pan Nam. This is true, Sigung Chong was Pan Nams student (the last I believe). However... Pan Nam was not a Bak Mei practitioner, he was actually wing chun, he taught a style different from Yip Man's style, and some say that it is the more authentic of the two styles (that is what I read, I am not saying this to start an argument). Eddie Chong's Bak Mei comes from Kenneth Chung who learned it from Leung Sheung. Leung Sheung taught Bak Mei before becoming Yip Mans first student. There is a story or two located on the wingchunkuen website that tell of Leung Sheung's first meeting with Yip Man, It also tells of Eddie Chong's trip to China and his training with Pan Nam.

Maybe the wingchunkuen site is wrong, Eddie Chong himself gives some accounts regarding his meeting and training with Pan Nam.

http://www.wingchunkuen.com/archives...s_pannam.shtml

ESR

[tnwingtsun]

You're doing a great job,Thank you for your efforts,I'll print out your list and take it over to Dr.Wongs,so far I've been talking to him on the phone about your list.I'll set up a time where I can take it over to him(His computer is down),he is very busy with his Acupuncher,He enjoys healing and helping people who need it rather than hurting with his Kung-Fu,for that I give him an A+

[MoQ]

I find the expository spirit mostly redoubtable, but along with that, I am wondering if anyone asked any of these people if they wanted to be named on an internet forum, or is that not an issue these days?
Also, if it happens that some on the list are misplaced, illegitimate, or left out, who takes responsibility?

[CLOUD ONE]

MoQ,
My thoughts also. Well done! You are really wise when you want to be

[tnwingtsun]

Wow,what a ringer,I take responsibilty for my posts and the names I listed as far as the people I've met and trained with don't mind being listed.If someones left out or not legitimate then pehaps don't you think by compairing infomation this will be brought out??As for them not wanting to be listed on a forum then why haven't they made up a name or hid in a cave??,I don't want anyone telling me its wrong for me to know my family tree.Is this freedom of speach and knowledge going to cause any damage?,this is far from name calling(master so and so 33 gen was a cross dresser),why hell no!!,come on,should we all stick our heads in a hole.200 years from now,Hmmmmm,I wonder if sifu hong kong and sifu new york were buddist or daoist??,how many schools did they have??,well they had these things called TVs,telephones,Computers(with fourms!)and weird things called books,but somebody decided it was "BAD" to talk of such things,so who really knows??,there might not have been a thing called Bai Mai kung fu,it might be all folklore,geeze,gimme a freaking break,Keep up the good work Kevin

[sui-fuw]

do you honestly think you're big,and strong enough to take all this responsibility.you must have serpassed your teachers.

this forum is just abit of fun.books and exsperience never got on with each other.

are you a woman,if so are you vertuose.if so you will be great one day just stay out of the books they will give you a head-ache

[tnwingtsun]

The people I listed in my line don't mind having their names posted,I am classmates with some and students to others,and have talked with them about this fourm,So whats your point sui few???Do I have to be big and strong to apreciate Kevins efforts in constructing a Bai Mei line??,are you in communist China where free speach is not allowed?,if you don't like what he's doing then just say so,or do need someone's perrmission first,I've posted my line,I'm easy to find,do you come from a Bai Mei school??,if not WTF are you even doing here??,whats your line?,who was your sifu?Hitler,Stalin,Mao-Si-Dung liked to suppress free speach and thought,some people never learn

[This message was edited by tnwingtsun on 02-24-01 at 08:05 PM.]

[meltdawn]

Sui-fuw,

Your kung fu is not good enough to be opening up your mouth.

Please remember what happened the last time you decided to bring up gender, and keep your little fantasies to yourself.

"Waiting is bad." - Musashi

[MoQ]

I guess I don't get sui-fuw's remark and I wonder if CLOUD1 knows his 'puter is being used...

tnwingchun my remark wasn't directed toward you in the slightest, give it a break...

melty good to see you posting the short quips again, rather than the long, drawn out prosaic posts of late... :D

[sui-fuw]

i forgot your kung fu is alot better than mine.
i promise never to bring your gender into it again.[so much for freedom of speech]i'm also sorry, that the truth hurts,that your fathers wanted boys and to settle for u 2.thats if you know your fathers.

p.s its also true about being virtuos[pure]don't take my word for it,ask your si-fus.[this applys to men also]sorry again i've been ignorant to women with ego problems.

[Kevin Barkman]

If anyone does not wish for their name / school to be mentioned on this genealogical chart, just let me know and of course I will respect your wishes.

Otherwise, I can't believe it would make anyone overly anxious. Most of the names on this list are those persons with web-sites, magazine articles, or mentioned in published books. If someone wanted anyonimity (sp?) then I probably wouldn't have their name anyway!

Anyway, I am only trying to increase public awareness of this art, and also to strengthen the ties between the current schools. Please keep in mind that this list is hardly exhaustive - just a beginning. One day soon it will be put into a very nice record, and shared with any legitimate Bak Mei Sifu that wants a copy of it. I will post more later about that.

Once again, I am trying to be inclusive and bridge building between the "pai"- this is the 21st century - but still, not trying to step on anyones toes here.

[tnwingtsun]

My apologies MoQ,Kevin,I wonder where the Vietnamise schools would fit in on the list,sorry,I don't speak french but they are supposed to have an english version up soon http://www.vietanhmon.org/fbachmi.htm

[kull]

The correct term for older training bother in chinese would be si-hing. Chan Dor is not sigung CLC first student; even if he is still diffrent. Why would Kwong still call Chen Dor "grand uncle" if no blood relation?

[This message was edited by kull on 02-25-01 at 09:27 PM.]

[CannonFist]

The Vietnamese branch of Pak Mei lineage that I know :-

Cheung Lai Chuen, Chang Wai Bok (Dang Hue Bach in Vietnamese), Yip Kwok Leung (Diep Quach Luong in Vietnamese), Chau Phu

Chau Phu also learnt from Cheung Bing Lum (Cheung Lai Chuen's son).