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    Traditional Lion Dance

    This off topic from the attn:Frank thread so I'm starting a new one.

    I do recommend people get the DVD and support these guys. TigerClaw was abig sponser too.

    In regards to tradtional vs. Modern liondance. Each has their own aspects. Most of the winning schools that win international competions have traditional teams. Even the "Jong" competitions are emphasizing more animation.

    I've been to Malaysia, Singapore and Hong Kong and seen the teams there. Traditional is alive and well but has evolved.

    I was also a judge at the West Coast competion. The DVD is out. I highly recommend it. http://www.lion-dancing.com/product.asp?itemid=9

    Take a look at the trailer on the home page http://www.lion-dancing.com/nfldc/home.html I'd like to see traditional lion dance head this direction. BTW, Yau Kung Moon won this comp.

    CLF Noble, is your si-sook doing the traditional fat san lion dance and keeping the "old" drumming? Just curious. I see too many teams now opting for the Hok San style of lion and drum. Great if that's your roots but these are traditional Fat San based systems like Hung Gar and CLF. The worse are the teams that opt the HS drum but use a FS head.
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    Sounds like a winner

    HaSayFu,

    Wassup brotha? When I get things together on my end, I have to try to hook up with you and Subitai. It will be two years soon since we last met.

    The DVD sounds very interesting, and I make sure I put it at the top of my wish list.

    Peace

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    HaSayFu:

    They use a traditional style drum beat but a bit more up tempo than the real old style which is quite slow. As far as the head goes its more of an older style head. It doesn't look like the malaysian heads that resemble a duck.

    So to answer your question I think it would be considered Fut San style.

    Peace.

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    I just wonder if in the freestyle competitions, do the teams compete one at a time?
    Or do we get to see some real team vs team lion dancing?
    *evil grin*
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
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    The one's I have seen its one at a time. It is difficult enough as it is if it were team vs. team on poles 15' in the air there would be people breaking all kinds of bones and possibly worse.

    If you ever get one of the VCDs from Singapore, Malaysia or Hong Kong they usually show the falls at the end and man do they look painful.

    Peace.

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    CLFNole

    We're talking about the freestyle competition with no props.
    That includes no poles (stationary or otherwise), no balls, no platforms, and not even benches if my understanding of the rules is correct.

    The freestyle competition is supposed to be traditional style.

    I've seen more than enough videos of the modern style.
    I've gotta wonder about the traditional lion you've seen if the modern looks more alive.

    I mean, they prance around a bit and have some live play, but when they start doing tricks, half of the teams seem so focused on the jumps that they stop playing the lion altogether.

    Of course there were exceptions on the tapes I saw- some teams were much better than others; and the tapes I saw were not a definitive collection, but it'd take some real good footage on their part to convince me different.

    I know I'm probably just biased.
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    This may eventually boil down to what was on another thread in that "Traditional" lion dance is not clearly defined. The "Traditions" vary from school to school, style to style and in many cases in origination from region to region. There are still more commonalities than differences when refering to say what most would consider traditional fut san style. But minor differences could be totally opposite between groups.
    For example group A lion head plays dai goo (big drum/triumphant walk) by turning the head side to side making the lion looke from side to side but keeping the head and chin on a level plane, group B lion head plays dai goo by tilting the head side ways, one side, then the other, and not really turning it side to side. Both heads learned from teachers who learned from thier teachers who learned from their teachers. Both are old enough to be "Traditional" but which is the right way and which is wrong? are both right or are both wrong? who is to say?

    Then who is to say who is the best? It seems every southern style has someone who is a "King of Lions" from Hong Kong, Hung Ga has theirs, Choy Lay Fut has theirs, Jow Ga has theirs, Hung Fut has theirs, Bak Mei has theirs, etc. Then there are those teams that compete and claim world championships that could make claims to being the best, Kun Seng Keng, kuan Loke, Yau kung Mun, Bak Hok, etc.

    I was distracted and have no idea what my point is anymore.
    so.....the end.

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    Je Lei Sifu, word. I got to make out east again and we all need to get together. I enjoyed our little HG Lion Dance jam session we had.

    Bmore Banga, "half of the teams seem so focused on the jumps that they stop playing the lion altogether."

    It's the other half you gotta look at [] Seriously, I used to think the way you do till I spent time with Master Siow, who is arguably the originator of the modern style. He's at least the most active promoter of it. He has very traditional roots. He teaches his team some really tight facial animation.

    Looking at the videos to make a generalization would be like me looking at the Xtreme MA folks and call that real Kung Fu.

    The Traditional Competion did allow for props. This is traditional in the sense that the lion should make use of all the things around. Even that clip from the 1920s show a full bridge setup, so that isn't new. What is new is spending a majority of the time on Jongs and basing the routine around acrobatics on the Jongs. It also allows for a standardization of judging. This is what defines the modern competition lion dance.

    For the Tradtional competion, animation, story, energy and spirit played a bigger part. One of the best animation I saw was one team (YKM A?) that sniffed the chang that was hanging in a tree. You could see/feel the Lion savoring the scent.

    On the Team vs. Team tip, I've heard some stories. Think OUATIC 3 but real life. The yearly island festival in HK was a big example.
    You won't see that in the US anytime soon.

    CLFNoble, glad to hear you keep the Fut San style. Yeah, Hok San looks like a duck (or supposedly a crane (Hok))

    Brothernumber9, you said it. Seem like everyone was King of Lion Dance. Guess it's how you define your kingdom. Of course we all know that Wong Fei Hong (HG) was the best of the best. I saw it on several movies. LOL

    As for comparing traditions, you are right about the diffs. On the otherhand, there are basic things that are the same and that's what we can go off of.

    Thanks for the discussion everyone. Fu-Pow, drop some stories of your team or Sifu.

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    B'more Banga you took note when Fu-Pow backed his school's lion as best. What are some of the strong teams you have been on or witnessed in the U.S.? Are you or were you a member of Yau Kung Mun or Bak Hok or maybe Gee Yung?

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    HSF

    I've seen that kinda competition on the east coast in the 2 years I've been out here, let alone the number of times I've heard it occuring over the past decade or two.
    Just coz it ain't on the west coast doesn't mean it ain't in the US.


    My bad about the freestyle competition, it's been a while since I saw the rules for that one.
    People from the east coast were thinking about flying out for that one but wanted to check out the video first.

    I've seen online clips of Siow's stuff, some west coast stuff, and some stuff from Houston. Saw Jimmy Wong's crew in Plano in person a few times.
    You see from my wording that not everyone stopped playing lion when they did the tricks.

    When it comes to animation, I've seen good stuff from both sides.
    I personally prefer traditional footwork and routines to the modern style. But to say one has a clear dominance over the other in animation doesn't make sense when there are equally bad examples from both camps. j/k There are some players from both sides that'll make your jaw drop.



    bro#9

    I was on a team a lot closer to your home. Think of a 4 letter word for kung fu in DC and i was one of them. hehe

    Teams I think are good?
    This list could get long.

    On the east coast, heard you guys are good, JeLeiSifu's stuff's good, DF can get down with a lion, yah if I keep goin I'm gonna leave someone out on accident and it's going to look like a slam on that team.

    Let's just say I've seen a lot of good ones on the east coast.

    On the east coast it's more about festivals, parades, and freestyle shows than preset jong competitions; a lot more traditional than modern.

    I take issue with someone claiming they're the best, just like I'd take issue with someone claiming they were the best fighter without having seen them do much more than light sparring.
    Or someone who claims to be the best cook, without having tasted more than a pb&j sandwich from them.
    In traditional lion dance if you say you're the best, expect to back it up, and there are ways to back it up.
    Rules of the game, yah know?
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    It's all good

    BMore Banga, you are right about you east coast guys. My bad for not thinking about that. Now I know why you need police escorts at CNY

    I should reword my statement to a "sanctioned" team vs. team tournament of the HK type. I think breaking out the butterfly knives and long poles would attract a little attention. I don't even want to think about the fool carrying the kwan do. LOL

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    When I first joined our lion team we didn't do very much of tricks in the way of jongs or stacks, everything was based on different chang presentations, postures, footwork, power and expression of the lion. The tails were really long. We used only 3 colors of lions. Red, black, and white(or yellow). We still use primarily those colors but we also have a few different ones now including a gold laser fabric skin one and another that is a bit more collorful and includes white, red, yellow, and blue on it.

    Now we still focus primarily on footwork, power, and expression of the lion but have included all kinds of tricks and stacks and a few routines on benches as well as impromptu jongs or setups by a couple particular restaurant owners that have background in lion dance. We havent been involved in any greetings between lions of different schools since 95 and haven't been involved in any altercations since the last time we were in DC Chinatown in '90. (which really was nothing and we all have a good respect for each other now). Next year my Sifu is throwing a 25 year anniversary grand opening of his school, he's gonna invite loads of schools and hopes to get as many as 30 lions in attendance. There may probably be more Jow Ga lions than anything else but I'm quite sure there may also be some Choy Lay Fut, Hung Gar, SPM, Wah Lum, and maybe Fu-Jow Pai, 7* Mantis, and who knows who else there, maybe some of you reading this.

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    You know peeps we do have a Lion Dance Forum

    brothernumber9
    hope to see you there we have a thread going on what is your fave lion...

    ~Jason
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    I guess that stuff do happen on the left coast
    Nice little thread
    What would happen if a year-old baby fell from a fourth-floor window onto the head of a burly truck driver, standing on the sidewalk?
    It's practically certain that the truckman would be knocked unconscious. He might die of brain concussion or a broken neck.
    Even an innocent little baby can become a dangerous missile WHEN ITS BODY-WEIGHT IS SET INTO FAST MOTION.
    -Jack Dempsey ch1 pg1 Championship Fighting

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    Thanks Bmore...
    Come and post and tell what you have seen on the right coast....hehehehehe

    ~Jason
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    http://www.weiyongkungfu.com
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    What is 'traditional kung fu' ?
    Chinese fighting arts developed before the advent of the modern age in China. Not to be confused with modern, post-1949, Wushu or competitive fighting such as kick boxing .
    By Shanghai Jing Mo

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