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    Something to think about!

    HI,

    I been reading the messages on this forum for a while now, but today I felt I had to share this with you!
    (it starts out a bit boring but keep reading it! If you can't be bothered then skip to the conclusions)

    quoted from:
    http://www.reachouttrust.org/regulars/news/news40.htm

    "News

    Tai Chi instead of School Assembly

    It has been reported from a number of areas of the country that Primary Schools are taking part in a pilot scheme to allow Tai Chi lessons to take place in schools at the beginning of the day.

    Although schools by law must have a collective act of worship it is hard to see how they will fit everything in and something must give way.

    The idea comes from toy company Bandai who are the force behind "Power Rangers".

    If this comes to your school please be aware of the following concerning Tai Chi.

    ORIGINS


    According to Chinese legend Tai chi or to give it its full title Tai-chi Chuan can be traced back to the 11th century and Chang San-feng. Chang was a deep Taoist thinker and therefore it is no wonder that Tai chi is rooted, as he was, in Taoism. Over the centuries, further developments have taken place and today millions of Chinese practise it in parks and other open spaces.


    BASIC PRINCIPLES


    Tai Chi is a soft martial art where the aim is to tune into the 'ch'i' energy. Overall Tai Chi is physically non-violent but is designed to produce a self-defence mechanism so that one's inner responses are controlled and the outer movements are evasive and defensive when necessary. The concept of yielding to opposition is emphasised in order to overthrow the momentum of the opponent.


    Tai Chi is a Chinese mystical meditation or mind-control technique requiring complete concentration and an empty mind. It incorporates physical movement in slow motion and rhythmical breathing. Certain sequences are learnt and the performance or display is highly disciplined. Tai Chi is considered the way to achieve perfect health and immortality if practised enough. There is encouragement therefore, to practice regularly and frequently.


    OUTWORKING


    The Tai Chi technique is based on the channelling of hidden energies and focuses on the area of the reproductive organs as the bodily centre.


    There is emphasis on sexuality and a promise of increased fertility. In order to bring about a more complete experience it is complemented with sedentary meditation.


    Tai Chi is based on the philosophy of Yin and Yang, the balance of opposites and claims to bring about not only the harmony of the body, mind, and spirit but also and harmony with the forces of nature.


    The body is said to have an intrinsic energy, ch'i, which can be developed by special techniques. Faith in this ch'i soon comes to those who participate. To the onlooker Tai Chi looks like a spiritual dance but to the practitioner it is viewed as a way of understanding the inner nature. However, it is obvious from its roots that the understanding that results is of the Tao philosophy and religion.


    Tai Chi is designed to integrate the personality with the spirit by alignments of energies and the opening up of what are seen as higher faculties. It purports to be a process towards peace, healing and eventual enlightenment.


    Tai Chi might be represented by its full name, Tai Chi Chuan, or it might be represented by descriptions such as relaxation technique, stress management activity, focusing exercise, the means to empower yourself, self-awareness method. There are also on offer Tai Chi-type exercises. In most cases the full description and definition of Tai Chi is not given and the impression is one of a slow motion keep fit exercise. There is no such thing as a diluted version of Tai Chi, nor are warnings given as to the effects, which Tai Chi can have.


    Tai Chi works on opening the psychic centres of the body and is designed to bring about a passionless state. There are said to be a number of psychic centres called 'chakras' through which the hidden energies and spiritual forces are channelled. This in turn affects the subconscious, the part of the mind we know least about, and the practising of the exercises can root out psychological aspects of ourselves in a disturbing way.


    This disturbance usually happens in uncontrolled conditions and can produce emotional upsets, hysteria, hostility and the like. The practising of the exercises brings about a change of personality in the form of an emotional detachment. This is the result of what is known as an altered state of consciousness. Sometimes a glazed look in the eye or dilated pupils result.


    The practitioner can be vulnerable to effects such as initial elation followed by symptoms or ailments varying in intensity in each individual such as unhappiness, panic, moodiness, depression (mild or serious), nervous breakdown, suicidal tendencies, oppression and in some cases demonic possession. It can also bring about a cycle of cause and effect in that the more depressed one becomes the more one practises it in the hope that it will lift the depression. Once in the cycle, the practitioner's reasoning will be disoriented so that the depression is not attributed to the Tai Chi, rather to the insufficient practice of it.


    Various physical ailments can manifest themselves also, sometimes of the kind, which the person has not experienced before, or more intense versions of familiar ailments. This is born out by the following testimony, which is the summary of a letter, held on file at Reachout Trust.


    Gradually the Tai Chi took over and some exercises made me feel very odd, Chi Kung exercises. I saw others also having bad experiences and feeling ill. It seemed to have power but the teacher always got us to carry on. It was not making me better in hindsight in fact after a year it took over my life. I stopped seeing friends, was very inward and moody, not sociable, felt very anxious, lost touch with reality, addicted to feeling Chi, even though it made me feel odd, and put me into a trance state. I did not know what was doing me good, I thought it was just my illness so I gradually did more practice because I thought that was why I was feeling ill. This was a viscous circle and I gradually self-destructed.


    The teacher told me to carry on but I was vulnerable and at the same time, I was critical of Christians. While meditating, I had throbbings in my spine and a ball of Chi shot up spine. I got totally possessed by Chi or kundalini as it is called. I totally opened myself up and could not close down. The teacher simply kept telling me to carry on but after many telephone calls he did not want to know me any more. I was very scared and burning all over all day. I could not sleep and became very ill, my body and mind went haywire.


    I was not given the help I needed even though I went to a Chinese Doctor for acupuncture. Then I realised what I had done and went to Church for over a year. I was baptised and had deliverance. - PS, Leics.


    CONCLUSIONS


    1. Tai Chi like so many of these practices is an integral exercise in that it is not possible to separate the physical movements from the psychological and spiritual elements, nor is there any intention to do so.


    2. Whereas the outward motivation for being involved might be relaxation or relief from stress, the practitioner is steered away from Christianity and becomes bound to the inherent spirituality of Taoism; the world of the impersonal force that seeks to control our lives.


    3. There is no question that this force does not come from God and that participating in Tai Chi is requesting the power of a hidden occult force to be involved in one's life. The effects as such can be similar to playing with a ouija board or taking part in a seance, with all the inherent dangers of these occultic practices."

    I make no comment about this article or the organisation behind it in anyway I just thought people may like to read it.
    lol!!!

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    Dude sounds like a bad acid trip I had once.....

    But seriously, this thing is crap. The author obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

    The point of Taiji is not to "trance out"as the author claims. It is to become more aware and sensitive to your body and your environment.

    I mean Taiji is a fighting art .....right? You think that you could fight if you were zoned out?

    However, one thing in the article that wrung true. Sometimes when I come back from Taiji my girlfriend says I have "Taiji eyes." I think it is possible that after Taiji practice your eyes do dialate.

    Perhaps in a relaxed state you can take more light into your eyes?

    Not 100% sure on this.

    Peace.

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    Yes we should all quit Tai Chi and turn to Jebus, he will save us.

    Chi is evil and is the work of satan, as such you should not seek to cultivate it or use it in your daily life. All chi based excercises are sin and as such not to be taken part in.

    People who perform chi 'feats' are infact possesed by satan and certainly doing the work of the devil!

    Regualar practice has been proven to make you crazy, just look at what your doing for crying out loud! You cant fight when your moving that slowly



    You know sadly this reminds me of a sticker i once saw, it was only a joke but strangely seems to fit this situation EXACTLY.

    "Jesus loves you, everyone else thinks your a *****"
    Up and down, forward and backward, left and right, its all the same. All of this is done with the mind, not externaly.
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    "I wonder how they would do against jon's no-tension fu. I bet they'd do REALLY WELL."
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    Further proof that "Don't throw your pearls before swine." is still relivent today.
    " Better to be a warrior in the garden than a gardner at war."
    "Ni hao darlins!" - wujidude
    "I just believe that qi is real and good body mechanics have been masquerading as internal power for too long." - omarthefish

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    not again...

    i am a christian who studies taiji
    i heard all of the arguments against studying it before i started.
    many things are misunderstood by what i consider "sheltered" christians. there are warnings against many aspects of society and culture. taiji/gongfu/tcm are easy targets because of their buddhist/taoist/chinese belief system connections.
    these sorts of warnings are taken by many christians as the definitive answer on whatever topic they warn about. i disagree with that.
    i've been told by friends that they HEARD pokemon was demonic so they decided never to check it out. i on the other hand actually find a number of similarities between the Church and pokemon (thats another story that i wont go into)

    the point is, please don't base your view of christianity on warnings like these. they can (obviously!) be misinformed on subjects that they don't take much time to study for themselves.
    many Christians are actually intelligent people who wrestle with issues before commenting on them.

    Wang Si Zhong

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    wangsizhong

    I understand what your saying and i for one have NO problem with any religion or belief as long as its not trust upon me personaly.
    There are always wackos in any organised group and religion is unfortunately very prown to them.
    I would certainly not judge ALL of the Christians based on the ranting of one specialised group.
    Some of my best friends are both dedicated Christians and martial artists including my Hung Ga sifu. I respect them for following there belief systems and finding a harmony with the beliefs of another culture.

    My post was just a joke it was not meant to be offensive and i hope it didnt come accross that way

    "many Christians are actually intelligent people who wrestle with issues before commenting on them."
    * Can they please teach me that skill, its a nasty problem i assure you hehe
    Up and down, forward and backward, left and right, its all the same. All of this is done with the mind, not externaly.
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    "I wonder how they would do against jon's no-tension fu. I bet they'd do REALLY WELL."
    - Huang Kai Vun

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    jon:

    "My post was just a joke it was not meant to be offensive and i hope it didnt come accross that way"

    i know it was a joke. no problem there.
    i was just hoping people will realize there are Christians (orthodox ones no less!) with more informed views on certain subjects.

    "as long as its not thrust upon me personally"

    again, i'm with you. you can't force someone to believe anything.

    "Can they please teach me that skill, its a nasty problem i assure you"

    if i find one who's got the skill, i'll let you know....

    Wang Si Zhong

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    Greetings..

    What i see in the post is what i have seen all of my life.. i was raised "reformist Christian", and embrace the philosophy (not the ritual).. the philosophy is consistent with the core of most major religious philosophies.. but, when ritualized by over-zealous believers, the philosophies of compassion and tolerence become exclusive and punitive... What we see in the case of the poor practicioner in the article, is just how well they were indoctrinated.. we see a lack of clarity in reasoning skills, where one can't distinguish religious beliefs from philosophical concepts.. where the dogma blames all personal problems on evil influences, disregarding inherent personal anomalies.. I sense that this same person would have developed similar problems in nearly any activity that was called to question by the deeply indoctrinated values of their chosen religious beliefs..

    There is no conflict between religious beliefs and Tai Chi Chuan.
    TaiChiBob.. "the teacher that is not also a student is neither"

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    After the heading OUTWORKING in the original article the reader can just substitute the term Chi Kung for T'ai Chi wherever it appears and, if one skips the overtly religious references, what is left is a typical and not too uncommon description of a unmonitored Chi Kung practice gone bad.

    Never heard of Kundilini Psychosis? Any counselor working in the field of meditative traditions can attest to its reality.The 'letter' in the article describes many of the classic symptoms.

    Can't hear anything negitive about T'ai Chi? Easily plugged in by other's critizism about something you hold dear? Join the big world of fanatics, Christian or otherwise. Like in everything else, a complete concentration on just one thing does not a balanced individual make, and any good practitioner has a life outside of their main practice.

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    Take a look at the website that published this garbage, they are also putting out numerous arcticles on the evils of Harry Potter!

    We should all send them an email telling them to seek counciling, these people are the reason I own a gun.

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    Originally posted by spiralstair
    Like in everything else, a complete concentration on just one thing does not a balanced individual make, and any good practitioner has a life outside of their main practice.

    I agree!! We are always told if you want to be a serious student Family first, Job second, then Tai Chi.

    When I posted the article I didn't intend to start a religion blashing (Christian or any other!!!). I was just amazed that an organisation that is look to by many people could write such stuff!

    In what way does Tai Chi contradict Christian belief?

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    People forget that "...the Dao that has a name is not the real
    Dao."

    Religion is like form in martial arts - first we learn form, then we
    forget it. That doesn't mean that we are not doing martial art
    any more, it means that we have embodied it.

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    I am by no means an expert, but there are serious and more competent sources that talk about the hazards of internal practice. And stories that deviate from cult praise and support many warnings. Both from India and China.

    The article talks about chakras. Are dantiens and chakras equivalent terms? I thought they were not.

    Anyway, how are yoga and Chinese internal practices similar? If you read Feng Zheqiang's article on Jarek's homepage and notes from one of FZQ seminars - stories about Indian fakirs are similar to say the least (concerning certain details, of course).

    I wouldn't discard any warnings in a flippant way. I used to do that a lot. And suffered the concequences too.

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