Pak Mei Hong Kong websites

[BIU JI]

It just gets beyond a joke at times is all, all pakmei like to right off YKM as a lesser lineage or the "illegal sifu's style" but as soon as YKM is credited for something you watch how quickly pakmei jumps up as and says " Oh we're the same " or "They come from pakmei".
Do you know how many times I've heard people try to distance the 2 lineages and then tie them together again later, f@ck sake you lot make up your minds.

Where have you seen YKM before Tiger ?

[fiercest tiger]

hahaha dont even bother, its not worth the worry!

Illegal Sifu my a$$ hahahah makes me laugh...

[fiercest tiger]

did you learn in guangzhou or america?

how old is your sifu today?

cheers
FT

[TIger Hand]

biu ji-

I have seen YKM in San francisco, HK and a practitioner from Malaysia. I never said YKM is an illegal pak mei style.

Firece tiger-

My sifu is has passed on.

[Buby]

Take a deep breath and relax. We all take our lineage and teachings to the heart and I think we're getting off on the wrong foot. Communication is the key!

So lets start from scratch. Please!

TigerHand - I notice you're in the US. Would you mind me asking what state you're in?(Plese feel free to PM me if you would like to disclose info on a public forum)

I'm in NYC, Brooklyn to be exact. I train in YKM under Sifu Garry (Fiercest Tiger). If you're ever in my neck of the woods, please feel to drop me an e-mail. We can do yum cha, talk kung fu and hopefully do a lil training. Then maybe we both can see what are the differences in your version of BM and the one that is found in YKM.

You state that your sifu trained with CLC in guangzhou. Our sijo also learned from CLC in guangzhou. Do you train your stance low? Not low like in Hung, but definitly lower than hong kong(hk) BM. Also, what is the first form you start out with?

From what I heard CLC taught one way in guangzhou and later went to HK and redeveloped the system again(for lack of a better word). Is there any info you can add to this?

Sorry for the long winded post, but before I forget...Is your BM considered guangzhou BM?

Thanks in advance,
Buby

[sui-fuw]

pu$$y hand
chill out,its obviouse you don't like what i wrote[i must be getting soft in my old age]
your si-fu became your si-hing?well he wasn't all that good then,was he?and you maybe even worse?lol

what would i do with a pu$$y?i think i would be nice and stroke it,and give it a saucer of milk?

me take it up the a$$?well i can take the pain,if you can take the sh!t,ooooww baby you turn me on.but with tiger hands you got maggot pen!s,no, i'm sure you couldn't satisfy me with that tiny thing.lol

bui,i thinks its illegal.and i'm tellin the mods on w/c,fu{k that i'm gonna tell kfo admin.you lot's gotta be banned.

[BIU JI]

I won't appolagise for standing up for my system although I'll admit being abit sensitive to comments about YKM's authentivity. Everyone loves their style and their style is the best and my daddy could beat your daddy blah blah,,,

I just think it rude when it seems ok to disrspect YKM but as soon as something is said of pakmei there's hell to pay!

Buby- how is ya man, still got weights hanging off every limb lol

Sui-I'm telling on you !!!

[TIger Hand]

Sui-fuw the "Si Fut Gwai"-

My sifu became my sihing because my sigung accepted me as his student.........that automatically makes my sihing kungfu bad......??????

What kinda Fu(kin warped logic is that??????? I think you have been getting your "fudge packed" so much it has backed up into your brain.

Give pu$$y a saucer of milk.....hahahahahaha......obviously a little f@g boy coming out of the closet.

Yes, my pen is tiny in comparison to your open buthole....open but b!tch.

Oh...Si fut gwai = cantonese for "a$$hole ghost/ f@g boys."

Biu ji-

Who questioned YKM authenticity? All i said was YKM is not bai mei.

[TIger Hand]

Buby-

If ever iam around brooklyn i give you a line. thanks for the invite.

Our 1st form is jeet bo. No we do not do any real low stances. We believe in manuverability.

Bak mei is bak mei. I never heard of Guangzhou bakmei as oppose to HK bakmei until KFO.

I think differences are attributed to skill of practitioner and how CLC taught his students. But this was not uncommon among KF sifu. Out of the entire system they taught what you were naturally or what they thought you were naturally good at.

Actually, focus is a better word, not taught.

[sanjia]

Tiger hand says :
"Bak mei is bak mei"

I agree.

"I never heard of Guangzhou bakmei as oppose to HK bakmei until KFO."

Me neither, so I asked my teacher who hadn't, who asked his, who hadn't.


Mark

[fiercest tiger]

Ok, i do agree ykm is different to bak mei and i wont even go into detail why it is, we all have our own reasons.

I'll never talk about your art on here again as you all seem to know it all and have different ways, versions, types of ging, stances, postures, mixed and unmixed pak mei, hakka non hakka, hongkong guangzhou, futsan, omei. But you all are the same family? maybe not? are you dragon style modified? are you lee gar modified? Is there a Real Bak Mei please stand up!!!

I NOW know why we have split from you mob! All i can say the proof is in the pudding....

FT

[sanjia]

Fiercest Tiger says
"I'll never talk about your art on here again as you all seem to know it all and have different ways, versions, types of ging, stances, postures, mixed and unmixed pak mei, hakka non hakka, hongkong guangzhou, futsan, omei. But you all are the same family? maybe not? are you dragon style modified? are you lee gar modified? Is there a Real Bak Mei please stand up!!! "

Not quite sure what or who this is aimed at. But to make a point sir, it was your student who made the points regarding stances and postures and locations :-

ie, Buby : "You state that your sifu trained with CLC in Guangzhou Our sijo also learned from CLC in guangzhou. Do you train your stance low? Not low like in Hung, but definitly lower than hong kong(hk) BM. Also, what is the first form you start out with?

From what I heard CLC taught one way in guangzhou and later went to HK and redeveloped the system again(for lack of a better word). Is there any info you can add to this?"



As far as I am concerned ALL Pak Mei is real Pak Mei. Do there have to be sects? No, but it is human nature to want something better than the next guy, and especially on an internet forum it is not that difficult to make it seem so.
The Pak Mei within your system of Yau Kung Mun for instance is obviously real Pak Mei, there are just other things in your system as well.
As Tiger hand put and not just for Pak Mei but for almost any style or system, the differences come with skill or size or experience etc etc etc.

Mark

[CannonFist]

Our Pak Mei is also descended from Guangzhou but which went to Vietnam. In our school we describe our stances as belonging to the 'high' category. Its about the same height as Cheung Lai Chuen's stances in Un's book.

[Buby]

Hi,

"If ever iam around brooklyn i give you a line. thanks for the invite." - Anytime!

"No we do not do any real low stances. We believe
in manuverability." - manuverability? So do we! Our stances are not really low, but I do think the BM I've seen is a bit more upright. Atleast in training wise. When fighting I would say we are as upright as the BM that I've come across. Shhhh, I'm short enough as it is, I don't need to make myself any shorter.

I never even heard of BM till I got on here (KFO), let alone HK BM, hakka BM, or GZhou BM. What would you say makes BM, BM? Is it the theories and principles as handed down by CLC or it's name?

Take care,
Buby

[Bolt]

I think I missed the answer to one ofthe questions posted ... Bai Mei Buddhist or Daoist ? (Dao, Tao ...? same, same)

*My* understanding is that he was a Shaolin/Buddhist monk, one of the five elders, who left... became a Daoist "follower" (may not be the proper choice of word), then integrated Daoist theory (Yin Yang) into his KF to untlimately create the Bai Mei style. I don't know that he ever became a Daoist monk.

How far off am I?