How do you train for "the street"

[Merryprankster]

Hmmm...Black Jack's talking dirty to me.

If you're trying to get a date man, you're going to have to talk dirtier than that....

[Black Jack]

Oh its on now sucker.....

Black Jack, humming FreeBird to himself, back to packing the chainsaw, package of frozen hotdogs, handcuffs, hockey mask and a glad bag of viagra into a tattered napsack.

[Merryprankster]

YIKES!!!

[JWTAYLOR]

Black Jack, humming FreeBird to himself, back to packing the chainsaw, package of frozen hotdogs, handcuffs, hockey mask and a glad bag of viagra into a tattered napsack.

Finally, a soul mate.

JWT

[JWTAYLOR]

But on a more serious note:

I really wonder about the loss of fine motor skills. In general, yes, I must agree, fine motor skills go right out the window for most things.

But that does seem to change when we train.

I first started thinking of this when I was looking at competitive shooters. Both quickdraw shooters and long range highpower rifle shooters get pretty stressed out. And yet they are able to maintain incredible fine motor control. I know this is just competition, but much of the same results have been shown by incredible soldiers in battle. (Sgt. Carlos Hathco(k come to mind anyone?)

Or take a baseball pitcher. I was an all state 3rd baseman. I could throw an 87mph fast ball and a curve ball d@mn near as fast. Knuckle ball anyone? All of these pitches take a real fine motor control while performing a massive total body maneauver.

For that matter, ever try hitting a baseball moving at you at a 90mph. That ball seems real small, and it's moving real fast. But people do it. People who TRAIN TO DO IT.

Consider the fine motor control of a formula 1 racer or open class motorcycle racer. Both need incredibly small movements at very high speeds, where a tiny fu(k up means possible death.

All of these things happen, and happen regularly, by people who train to do it.

JWT

[Merryprankster]

Walk up behind the shooter and startle them and see how good the accuracy is

Seriously though, that's one of the reasons I advocate lots of sparring. Getting used to getting hit takes some of the surprise out of it.

[JWTAYLOR]

That's actually pretty standard training for shooting. When I took my tactical shotgun class here the range master decided to see how my acuracy was when I was startled by thowing black cats at my feet as I moved through the corse.

At first, I missed allot more. Then, I didn't.

For a real world class shooter, you could shove an M60 up their a$$ and they'd split your **** at a click.


JWT

[Merryprankster]

I'm not in the mood to shove an M-60 up anybody's a$$. Sounds like a job for Black Jack....

[JWTAYLOR]

Not in the mood to shove an M-60 up someone's a$$?

And you call yourself a Marine.

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

JWT

[Black Jack]

Oh its coming punk....

Black Jack, now only dressed in a pair of pink garters, pimp shoes with 3 inch glass soles filled with dead goldfish, and a too tight white tee-shirt that has inscribed across its front "Frankie Says Relax" takes apart his M-60 for easy carry, all of this done to the tunes of Cathy Lee's Christmas album.

JWT,

I would not put those examples as a person who's body is in EXTREME stress, if not for the fact that they can get up and just walk away from the situation.

I am not Tony Blair or Bruce Siddle, nor do I have a basic understanding of neuroscience, psychological effects on combat is a whole freaking field, but some of the basic stuff that I have investigated makes sense to me in that regard to h2h and stress.

Since all human beings are born with the physiological fight or flight mechanism, which gives us the ability to alter muscular, hormonal and mentals states under extreme stress to enable us to respond to a threat with greater physical force, one would wager that this also effects how we would "really" fight under exterme duress.

When faced with a stressor, the brains hypothalamus is activated and sets in train a series of hormonal reactions which lead to the release of adrenaline and noradrenaline from the adrenal medulla into the bloodstream. What we get is a increase in heart rate, blood pressure and respiriation, blood sent to the muscles to provide with more sugar and oxygen.

The bad part is that you can be mentally paralysed by the unfamiliar sensations, effective training of course is aimed to fight this, to gie you a body of techniques which have been repeated so often that they form a part of your instinctive response, but it does not take away the physical elements, shaky body, rapid breathing, tunnel vision, the higher the heartbeat the worse it is, the higher it is I believe the research shows that the less fine motor based skills you can use on a decisive level.

I believe that fine motor skills are still useable, thus should be trained, as each encounter is different from the next, but just not as accesible a tool, the more direct and low maintenance the tool, IMHO the better it is in a serious violent encounter.

Just my thoughts.

[JWTAYLOR]

Absolutely,
Train and trust what is simple, easy, and effective for YOU.

But, I just want to get that the more you train a motion, however fine that motion may be, and the MORE STRESS YOU TRAIN IN, the more likely you are to pull off those fine motor skills in combat.

I'm just saying that those feats are possible, and that people do them all the time.

JWT

[Black Jack]

JWT,

I agree.

There are no hard and set rules. I just follow what I believe works for me and that is the basis I take in certain discussions.

[David Jamieson]

Just want to say some great responses!

Thanks for the feedback guys.

Black Jack, I hear you on the core training concepts and agree. I also believe the core of what you train is what will be your foundation in virtually all encounters.

Good stuff

peace

[rogue]

Black Jack & Merry, take your soulfull gazing into each others eyes to the Royal Marines thread. You guys sound like a couple of backwoods Afghans.

On the serious note: Sounds like the difference in losing motor skills is a large part mental training.

[JWTAYLOR]

D@mnit Rouge, leave training out of this.

JWT says, grinning while shaving his face, dressed neatly in starched white button down, red tie, black socks and a metal studded leather codpeice.

JWT