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Thread: !!! Mike Newton’s Tape Trading SCAM !!!

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    !!! Mike Newton’s Tape Trading SCAM !!!

    Mike Newton’s Tape Trading SCAM !!!

    Dear Martial brothers, let me tell you about one of the lowest martial arts scams you could imagine.

    It started one day a few months ago when on an impulse I put up a posting asking if anyone knew of any footage of my schools lion dance or demonstrations from between 10 and 35 years ago. My Sifu and school had done many lion dances etc, so I assumed that someone out there may have some footage. My Sifu, passed away ten years ago.

    I received an e-mail a day or so later by a Mr. Steven Tyler. He claimed to have footage of our school in numerous performances from San Francisco. Upon hearing this I was overjoyed, I truly wanted to find some footage of my long dead Sifu, who raised me as a god son. He said that he would be happy to send me the footage at no cost to me since he knew how sentimental it was to me. He claimed to have lived in San Francisco during the 70’s and 80’s and also seemed to know something about my Sifu. Being overjoyed I offered to give him some tapes from my collection. He said that that would be great, and he would send me my tapes soon.

    Then he claimed to know a well known Mantis Sifu who I wont mention his name. He said this Mantis Sifu had old 8mm footage of my Sifu training in a Chinese Association in Chinatown. What a coincidence, my Sifu was learning from one of his Northern Shaolin Sifu’s in such an association in the 60’s, the same time period Steven Tyler mentioned. He also mentioned a sparring match which was filmed with my Sifu and another guy. The description of the bout sounded exactly like the kind of technique and ruthlessness of my Sifu. It sounded most convincing. This con guy is good.

    Using the name of this well known Mantis Sifu, this guy Steven Tyler said that the Mantis Sifu would trade for the footage I wanted, he said the Mantis Sifu was eccentric and wanted some other kung fu tapes. I thought it was bizarre and a little unbelievable, but his story of the footage just seemed so convincing. So, taking a chance I sent some more tapes for Steven to hand to the Mantis Sifu for supposed exchange.

    As you can imagine no tapes ever arrived at my office. He kept delaying me with pitiful excuses, then tried to get me excited with stories of tapes of my Grandmaster, my Great-Grandmaster and tapes of Ku Yu Cheung nonetheless. Now I knew I had been had. I was a sucker, yes I admit it. But this sucker never forgets.

    Its not very NICE to cheat people using sentiments of their lost master. Not nice at all.

    Anyway back to the story. I figure I would try to find out who this traitor (Fan Gwut Jai) is. I called many schools in the Bronx and New York to see if a Steven Tyler was enrolled, no luck. It seems the only Steven Tyler I could find was in the rock band (Aerosmith ?).

    Next. I noticed a web page being posted advertising a kung fu tape trading site here on Kungfuonline.com. It seemed too unusual. I checked it out and saw it was run by a Mike Newton. Different name, same tapes. I waited to see if anyone complained about any cheating before I moved. Yesterday I went to the Martial Media and Popular Culture section and found many complaints on this trading site:

    http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...threadid=12817

    If I had seen these postings I would have acted sooner, as I usually hang out in the Shaolin Forum.

    Anyway, for your information the person who is cheating us not a Steven Tyler nor is it a Mike Newton. It is someone else. I checked Mike Newtons (now disappeared) web site and dug around. I found on its side pages a number of resumes posted for a:

    Mr. Luis Ginorio ...... of Puerto Rico

    Could this perhaps be our man. Well I would not leave it to such simple circumstantial evidence alone, I went further. I called around New York and it was verified that Mr. Luis Ginorio was in fact a Preying Mantis practitioner. I checked address databases and found the address of Luis Ginorio matched the exact mailing address I had sent the tapes.

    So we have matching mailing addresses for Luis Ginorio and Steven Tyler at 755 XXXXX St, Bronx New York. He is a Mantis player of ill repute and also sells/sold tapes on ebay under the handle “micromantis”, here is his “previously sold items” page on e-bay:

    http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAP...sort=3&rows=25

    (If you cannot open it properly, then go to search function on ebay, then type in micromantis and include completed auctions. )

    He had sold some new Wing Lam tapes I sent him.

    Anyway I would like to bring this traitor to full light. He cheats many honest martial artists, he cheats them using the love of a long dead Sifu, he hides behind fake names (Steven Tyler/Bane/Mike Newton) and he abuses the names or reputable masters and includes them in his scam, thus redirecting our hatred to them instead.

    This is not the action of a martial artist, it is the action of a cacaracha ... a roach.

    My eye is on you Luis Ginorio, as someone on the complaint post said…..you can run but you can’t hide.

    A small world is it not Luis ?

    I welcome you to San Francisco to see what you have entered into.

    Cheers

    Buddhapalm
    "In heaven and earth no spot to hide;
    Bliss belongs to one that knows that things
    are empty and that man too is nothing.
    Splendid indeed is the Mongol longsword
    Slashing the spring wind like a flash of lightning !"

    Monk Wu-hsueh Tsu-yuan - Reciting as the Mongol sabers slashed towards him. The Mongols spared him out of respect. For no ordinary man recites a poem facing death.

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    Thanks for the warning. I almost sent a tape to that guy.

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    You would do well to check with your local postal inspector, inquire about mail fraud. It could well be the case that your local district attorney would draft a letter of complaint on your behalf and forward it to their NYC counter part. Your State Senator is also a valuable asset in such curious situations.

    His E-mail address would be nice to post as he could end up the proud owner of a mail box maxed out with his IP canceling on him.

    Yet again, you could simply post his address along with the name of his Sifu. There are those of us who travel at odd times and strange hours that might enjoy working a little side trip play into the mix.

    The possibilities are simply endless.
















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    Luis Ginorio

    Regarding our friend Luis Ginorio aka Mike Newton/Steven Tyler please refer to another post:

    http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/foru...711#post178711

    Nothing like the smell of bacon in the morning.

    Ah.......Hideous, forget the bacon, lets bring out Hannibal Lecter ;-)))) Anyone for lima beans ????

    Cheers

    Buddhapalm
    "In heaven and earth no spot to hide;
    Bliss belongs to one that knows that things
    are empty and that man too is nothing.
    Splendid indeed is the Mongol longsword
    Slashing the spring wind like a flash of lightning !"

    Monk Wu-hsueh Tsu-yuan - Reciting as the Mongol sabers slashed towards him. The Mongols spared him out of respect. For no ordinary man recites a poem facing death.

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    Buddhapalm - Luis Ginorio Regarding our friend Luis Ginorio aka Mike Newton/Steven Tyler … Ah.......Hideous, forget the bacon, lets bring out Hannibal Lecter ;-)))) Anyone for lima beans ????

    Oh, I hardly believe the petty thief is worth eating. You must remember, [You are what you eat.] He does appear to be in line for a fairly large ration of grief which he will have to eat, one bite at a time



















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    Buddhapalm –

    I might know of your deceased Sifu, and more to the point, know of someone who does in fact have actual video footage of him. A couple people I know might have a few still photos as well. If you so desire send me a PM and I will touch base with them.

    Just so that the record is clear and made public on this issue, you will be charged nothing beyond postage and the price of a blank tape if video is available.

    Since you have had a rather bad experience in this matter I will forward whatever I am able to secure on your behalf if it is of interest to you. You in turn are welcome to reimburse me if you so choose.















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    My Sifu

    Hi Hideous,
    I am responding to your post regarding footage of my Sifu.

    Thank you for the offer of providing me footage of my deceased Sifu, if available.

    Could you tell me where the footage was taken, and when ? Also what was on the tape ?

    Any information would be most appreciated.

    If it is indeed footage of my Sifu, then I would be most gratefull.

    Buddhapalm
    "In heaven and earth no spot to hide;
    Bliss belongs to one that knows that things
    are empty and that man too is nothing.
    Splendid indeed is the Mongol longsword
    Slashing the spring wind like a flash of lightning !"

    Monk Wu-hsueh Tsu-yuan - Reciting as the Mongol sabers slashed towards him. The Mongols spared him out of respect. For no ordinary man recites a poem facing death.

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    Buddhapalm -


    I'll not put such things out on a public forum. It may well be the case that the Sifu I am thinking of and the one you know are not the same person. If you desire to pursue this further then kindly supply me with the name of your deceased Sifu. I am thinking of one who was targeted and assassinated by Tong members via close range pistol shot. Quite possibly a more common event during the 1960s than many people realize. Secrets. You are welcome to E-mail me: JLTongLong@aol.com. Publicly, I am finished with this matter.


















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    Hideous

    Hi Hideous,
    Ah, we are talking about different Sifu's.

    My Sifu, Kong Fey Sifu, passed away at the young age of 72, ten years ago. He was at his martial peak, unfortunately cancer is relentless.

    He was not related to the Tibetan styles.

    Forum member Diego, would be most interested in your information, he is doing extensive research on this particular Sifu you describe.

    Thanks for your offer on information, and footage of this master. Unfortunately we are discussing different masters. If you did have some interesting footage for trade/sale, then I would be interested from a collectors standpoint, but since I was not in this particular "family" I completely understand if not appropriate.

    "Left side green dragon, right side white tiger"

    Best Regards

    Buddhapalm
    "In heaven and earth no spot to hide;
    Bliss belongs to one that knows that things
    are empty and that man too is nothing.
    Splendid indeed is the Mongol longsword
    Slashing the spring wind like a flash of lightning !"

    Monk Wu-hsueh Tsu-yuan - Reciting as the Mongol sabers slashed towards him. The Mongols spared him out of respect. For no ordinary man recites a poem facing death.

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    Understood Buddhapalm. Good fortune to you in your search for video memories of your deceased Sifu. Such a shame when one of the Elders pass from this Earth without leaving us reminders of what their hand really is and just how skilled one can become over time and with honest effort.

    As for videos, I don't collect them, and those I have are not commerical.


















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    Hideous

    Hideous,

    Well said my brother.

    Buddhapalm
    "In heaven and earth no spot to hide;
    Bliss belongs to one that knows that things
    are empty and that man too is nothing.
    Splendid indeed is the Mongol longsword
    Slashing the spring wind like a flash of lightning !"

    Monk Wu-hsueh Tsu-yuan - Reciting as the Mongol sabers slashed towards him. The Mongols spared him out of respect. For no ordinary man recites a poem facing death.

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