NY Sept Tournament info

**Spirit Writer** · 07-01-2002, 09:07 AM

Can someone please tell me the weight divisions and what oz. gloves the Sept. 28th tournament will be implementing? Thank you.

**blacktaoist** · 07-01-2002, 10:10 AM

The use of 10 0z Kenpo Gloves will be employed to enable competitors to use palm strikes. Divisions will be -beginner LW-MW-HW Intermediate LW-MW-HW and Advanced Lw-MW-HW All bouts will be three two min rounds. Fighting time and the clock will stop as dictated by the Referee. The winner is declared by a majority vote by the referee and judges. Winner of the best 2 rounds wins the fight. Also Sifu Ben Hill now going to allow throwing techniques to be utilize. So if you are thinking about fighting make such you have a few good throwing techniques within your Ba Gua fighting strategy.

Peace.

**Spirit Writer** · 07-01-2002, 10:20 AM

What is the lcut off line between MW and HW?

**maoshan** · 07-01-2002, 08:20 PM

Spirit Writer

Thje cut off is 182lbs

Peace

**count** · 07-01-2002, 08:38 PM

How about light weight?

**Spirit Writer** · 07-02-2002, 06:27 AM

So then at 190 I could be fighting a 270 lbs guy? That's nice.

**count** · 07-04-2002, 06:30 PM

TTT

**count** · 07-07-2002, 06:02 AM

Say Ben, of anyone who might know, I looked at the updates of the rules and pre-registration form at Blacktaoist's site, and a couple of others have been asking, What are the specific weight divisions? Some of us are borderline by most tournament standards. The pre-registration form has a blank for LW, MW, HW but no explaination. Also, could you be more specific about what defines beginner, intermediate and advanced?

**maoshan** · 07-07-2002, 02:01 PM

Peace All

Sorry for the delay, Family time ya know.

The break down goes like this:

LW: 130lbs-159lbs
MW: 160lbs-190lbs
HW: Unlimited

I realize that this is different from what I last posted concerning the Middle weight Division, but it seems there are going to be a greater number of participants in varying weight classes, so I had to revise it. This is the official Division of weight class.

As to the, what defines beginner, intermediate and advanced? Question,

Beg: 1-2yrs
Inter: 3-5yrs
Adv: 5yrs and up

I hope this helps. Need more Info? contact me.

Peace

Maoshan

**count** · 07-08-2002, 06:02 AM

That's what I needed. We have one woman who may be fighting too. Wanna post those divisions?

**Spirit Writer** · 07-08-2002, 06:43 AM

OK, what is some one studied external -- say Hung Quen -- for 4 years, but has studied internal for 2; what is he? Beginner, intermediate or advanaced? I know its silly, but how does one define.

**maoshan** · 07-08-2002, 11:58 PM

Peace All

Spirit Writer

I understand your question, and it's been apart of other discussions as well.

A beginner is a beginner. If their comming from an external system
or never trained a day in their life it's still the same because they both have to learn internal principles. The externalist may have an advantage in terms of the shape, but he's the same as the beginner in terms of getting the meat. and there are other factors as well. Such as is the practitiioner gifted. also the varying degree's of the so called external system the student is comming from, this directly effects the pace at which a student will embody the principles. I could go on but I hope this answers your question.

Peace

Maoshan

**Justa Man** · 07-09-2002, 08:44 AM

5 yrs and up is advanced? I would think 1-4 yrs is Beginner level, maybe 4-7 yrs is Intermediate, and above 7 yrs is Advanced.

Wouldn't you say Ba Gua Zhang skill takes just a bit longer to develop?

**blacktaoist** · 07-09-2002, 09:53 AM

Yo Ben, You need to delete some of your e-mails, your hot mail is to full. I can't send you $hit. I'll try to call you, but no one picks up your phone, I'm out of here this week, so try to hit me off with that $ for the $hit you ask me to pick up for you. Call me tonight.

**maoshan** · 07-09-2002, 10:39 PM

Justa Man,

On the norm, I agree with you, But you have to understand,
first, Ba-Gua has just started to become popular within the last 5yrs.
second, the majority of Ba-Gua Practitioners here in the west have not had even that much time of training exclusively with Ba-Gua. most do it for a hobby, Too few do it for real.
Hell, I've been doing Ba-Gua exclusivly for 22yrs and I'm still learning.
The standard is the same for most Tournaments in the west. I followed suit.
The standard is low as is obvious. my point of the tournament in the first place. Look at the standard and work to raise it.

True Ba-Gua is not for the faint of heart.

As to your original question of time,
Look at it from this point of view, Cheng Ting Hua only learned from Dong Hai Chuan at best 6yrs, most likely 5. He was an expert wrestler ( not master) yet he became one of the Big Four of Dong's top ten disiples.

It's not time, it's method and desire.

peace
maoshan

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