Kung Fu Black Belt to fight in next UFC!

[chokeyouout]

haHa j/k

seriously, how do you guys feel a TCMA would do under the UFC rules against these upcoming opponets...


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[Water Dragon]

Originally posted by chokeyouout


seriously, how do you guys feel a TCMA would do under the UFC rules against these upcoming opponets...

Depends. Who's the guy? How do YOU think the average BJJ Blue Belt would do?

[old jong]

He still does'nt know there are no black belts in Kung Fu!...Only in Shaolin-do and other things like that!... Anyway!...

[David Jamieson]

I hope they all do well.

I don't even know who those people you mentioned are choke.

Is there something special about them in the grand scheme of sport fighting?

Just curious as I don't really follow that stuff in depth.

peace

[HuangKaiVun]

I'd imagine pretty poorly.

The rules are stacked against kung fu fighters.

Street fighting - that's DIFFERENT.

[Budokan]

BWAHAHAHAHA! "Kung Fu Black Belt" Man, these wrasslers sure are some geniuses, ain't they....?

[DelicateSound]

"Randy Couture"?

Is this the credits for "Laurence of A-labia"?

[DelicateSound]

Abd "Benji Radach" was definitely the bald guy in "Robocock"

Or was it "Thighs Wide Shut"...... ?

[tnwingtsun]

turn your PM on,I came across what you have been looking for.

[Le nOObi]

I dont think the rules are stacked against kungfu fighters, i just dont think UFC type stuff interests kungfu people. I think the idea of kungfu being an alternate to boxing+muaythai+wrestling+BJJ is stupid because obviously crosstraining 4 arts gives you more skills then just training one.

[Souljah]

I agree with le noob, its not stacked against anyone depending on how they use their technique, Chin na practitioners who focus on alot of locks and holds may do well for example.

Hell, a wing chun master could go on and win for god sakes if he could knock a man out with one blow.
A red sand palm practitioner or one finger kung (if u believe) could easily defeat the usual thugs that come into that ring if they were well practiced, you cant rule anyone out.

(1 finger kung - if you can injure some1 without even physically touching them then think about it) hehe

[Royal Dragon]

Can I use small joint manipulations (finger Chi na)?

If I throw a guy head first on the mat and he's not killed or knocked out because of the mat (As opposed to hard ground), can I kick him in the head to get a knockout wile he is lying there? Can I get behind his head and perform "monkey pounds the mortar" (a low horse stance that hammer fists the ground, or opponent's face wile he is on the ground)? Don Frey used to do this one alot in the early UFC's, with great results.

From what I understand, if your opponent is on the ground, you have to "rassle" him. You can't stay on your feet (where it's safe) and use real Kung Fu to finish him. I think it's against the rules.

Also, can I intentionally rip his elbows apart with a Chi Na?? Or is intentionally maiming your opponent illegal? What about breaking a finger? Is it OK to spear hand an opponenet in the jugular? What about a "Cutting" Slice to the eye socket?

Am I allowed to throw him on his back and stomp on his face real hard? Can I grab his head and slam the back of it into the mat as hard as I can?? Would it even work because it's a mat he's falling on instead of hard ground like the real world?

Can get behind a guy and iron palm his floating rib so hard it gets driven into and internal organ and causes internal bleeeding?? I may want to do that to slow em down for my throw and subsequent face stomp, is that allowed?

Can I knife hand him in the back of the head or based of brain?

Can I elbow him in the eye socket?

Am I allwed to Iron Palm him in the fragile side of the head for a knockout? And them throw him on the ground and kneel on his neck to make sure he's out cold?

If I can't do all this stuff, I'd have to go learn BJJ and Muy tai to fight in this venue, and I really don't want to waste my time with that. Heck, if I could do what I wanted in the Kuo Sho, i'd already be fighting there anyway.

Never mind, I'm not interested anyway.

[wiz cool c]

That's a stupid question. who cares? That's like saying how do you think Oscar De La Hoya would do? People do what they like... what makes them happy. Not everyone wants to be a professional fighter.

[SevenStar]

can you do the majority of those things in a shuai chiao tourney?

no.


can you do the majority of them in san shou?

no.

can you do the majority of them in kuo shu?

no.

bjj guys do use small joint manipulation to some extent. They know not to use it in competitions though. If they can adapt, so could any CMA. CMA is not the only style that would prefer to remain standing and fight or run if their opponent was on the ground. However, they adapt to the situation. Adaptability is an important to an art as the techniques you learn. How good is it if you can only use it in certain situations?

And, if I'm not mistaken, In Pride you can knee your opponent in the head while you are both on the ground.

CMA trains punches, kicks, elbows and knees, correct? that and a little grappling knowledge is more than enough to survive in NHB, so rule restriction isn't really a factor, IMO. When you train in your club, do you maim other students, do you use, chin na to dislocate, or do you stop when you see their reaction and know they feel it? Granted there are rule restrictions that make it less than realistic when compared to a street altercation, but those restrictions apply to more than CMA.

And actually, some of the things you mentioned are legal. If you want to palm him in the floating ribs, feel free. once it slows him (if it slows him) g'head and throw him. if you do cause internal bleeding, that's on your conscience. Want to elbow him in the eye? g'head.

I even seem to remember a rule (can't remember what venue) where after you knocked someone down, you could kick them once. Dunno if that's still allowed though, as I can't even remember the venue.

and you may not be able to do "monkey pounds the mortar" but you can to GnP - punches and elbows from a mounted position.

[UltimateFighter]

In a street environment a kung fu practicioner would do better than in a ring. In an MMA match most TMA's including kung fu would get raped. Kung Fu guys have entered before and have gotten a spanking. On the streets, they would probably still lose but mainly because most kung fu training is unrealistic for real fighting (especially compared to how kung fu was trained in reality historically in China).

But technichly, there is no reason why some kung fu styles (i.e san sou, shouldin, wing chun and.......thats about it) could not be extremely effective in MMA as a style to cross train in. They just need to train for it. But please, leave hung gar and monkey style to the chinese opera.