Extreme disrespect

**diego** · 10-11-2002, 06:45 PM

Wheres that thread about the bruglar breaking into a bar, the owner hurts him and then has to pay the underaged thief and his moms $$$...This happenned in the uk, posted 2-4 months ago!.
These types of situations definatly no African Tiger...Because the jury would be like why did you attack before you called the cops etc!.

and what would you say?

**diego** · 10-11-2002, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by diego
Wheres that thread about the bruglar breaking into a bar, the owner hurts him and then has to pay the underaged thief and his moms $$$...This happenned in the uk, posted 2-4 months ago!.
These types of situations definatly no African Tiger...Because the jury would be like why did you attack before you called the cops etc!.

and what would you say?

THE ****KER DISGRACED MY LINOLEUM, So i went syko and B-BOY'D his A$$....

**SDriver** · 10-11-2002, 07:01 PM

I'm assuming the guys smoking are the karate guys.

KIDDING! I kid because I love.

Edited for sperling and grammer.

**African Tiger** · 10-11-2002, 07:01 PM

I think you misinterpret what I'm saying.

Someone comes into the school and says, "I challege you to a fight to see if your kung fu (etc) is better than my _______"

If the guy gets his ass kicked, and most likely he will cause this is kung fu we're talking about

, then as the expression goes, whoopty whoop! What was he doing challenging him to a fight? Sounds like a mutual challenge to me. Should Mike Tyson sue Lennox Lewis? Well maybe he should, considering the whooping he put on Tyson.....

And sadly, yes. *******s wearing ski masks are suing homeowners, bartenders, bouncers, guard dogs, etc. left and right. Best thing to do ostensibly is kill his ass so he can't file the paperwork - should the situation call for it, of course.

But I honestly think people are waking up to frivolous (sp) lawsuits. Althoough, some jerk just won like $10 billion because he got cancer from smoking. Duh, we've known smoking causes cancer since the 60s. What, did he miss that memo or what? Was the disclaimer on the pack of cigs printed too small?

**Chang Style Novice** · 10-11-2002, 07:07 PM

I'm not sayin' the guy doesn't deserve a knot on the cranium. I'm sayin' giving him one is going to get you more trouble than it's worth.

I only heard about it after the fact, but my Sifu had this exact same problem happen with him, but he didn't drop the dude until the guy (sifu's fiancee's ex) was drunk and started swinging and kicking. Furthermore, as far as I knew, he didn't even sue, but the incident STILL caused Sifu months of headaches.

**anton** · 10-11-2002, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Some people around here sure are silly.

"You have dishonored my linoleum and the linoleum of my ancestors! Now you must die! HIIIIIIYAAAAAAH!"

Legal remedies exist for a reason. Do you honestly believe that if you do pound the crap out of some schlub who drops a cigarette on your floor he'll have any problem with going to the cops to file an assault and battery charge?

OK you sue him, and win! Congratulations!
Damages awarded: Cost of one linoleum tile = $2
Lessons learned by offender = 0
Respect gained by you = -ve
Rep on street: "some cheapass loser who can't stand even up for himself, and sues for damaged linoleum"

Won $2 lost some respect... to me its not worth it.

I'd yell at the guy for disrespecting the place and the master and tell him to "get the f*ck out" and not come back until he learned some respect. If he wanted to spar I'd accept the offer and whoop his ass without doing too much permanent damage... and have a video camera there in case you do. If some damage is done then as it was a mutually accepted agreement, and as the common law is historically partial to "manly pursuits" the other guy would have trouble suing.

Either way just ushering them out politely isn't going to solve anything. Each time you take it, they'll come back and see if you'll take some more... the idea that bullies lose iterest if you ignore them is a myth, they'll always test your limits and keep pushing you further and further, as long as you let them.

**Kodiack** · 10-11-2002, 08:05 PM

I'm mostly a lurker on this board but I thought I would give my 2 cents.
First is this person that is barging into your school from another school? If so does that other schools sifu know what that person is doing? It might be worth you or your sifu's time to find out and then notify the sifu from the other school. My bet is that the other schools sifu doesn't know about his students behavior. Notifying him may put an end to this behavior. If for some reason the other schools sifu knows or just doesn't care then perhaps a match could be arranged between the schools. This is a perfectly legal way to either end the behavior or give the a-hole what he wants, a fight.
If the guy is some slob walking in off the street I would suggest doing what your sifu asks. If the guy keeps coming back then you may have to make a citizens arrest, notify the police and hold him until they arrive. Legally you have the right to use that amount of force needed to restrain the person for the police (IE-if you have to beat him up you can, if he resists your attempts at making a citizens arrest)
Either way its a tough situation, best of luck

**diego** · 10-11-2002, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by anton

OK you sue him, and win! Congratulations!
Damages awarded: Cost of one linoleum tile = $2
Lessons learned by offender = 0
Respect gained by you = -ve
Rep on street: "some cheapass loser who can't stand even up for himself, and sues for damaged linoleum"

Won $2 lost some respect... to me its not worth it.

I'd yell at the guy for disrespecting the place and the master and tell him to "get the f*ck out" and not come back until he learned some respect. If he wanted to spar I'd accept the offer and whoop his ass without doing too much permanent damage... and have a video camera there in case you do. If some damage is done then as it was a mutually accepted agreement, and as the common law is historically partial to "manly pursuits" the other guy would have trouble suing.

Either way just ushering them out politely isn't going to solve anything. Each time you take it, they'll come back and see if you'll take some more... the idea that bullies lose iterest if you ignore them is a myth, they'll always test your limits and keep pushing you further and further, as long as you let them.

Bullys etc?...this isnt ancient china we do have guns. This isnt a bruce lee flick...most do kungfu for selfdefence...they tend to be college educated in a western society...i dont think thier bodygaurd shop is in any need to be worried on going out of business...as they dont run one...So fighting for the respect of the altar proclaiming your style...seems rather childish nowadays/No

first buddy just wanted to trip...you walk him out, he calls you a biaotch!.

first buddy wanted to trip, you knock him the ****out then throw him...he gets drunk watches jerry springer, turns on the news spazzes, next morning your victem 10 but prolly in a new part of the country relating to the maryland sniper cnn reports!.

if he just wanted to trip in ancient china and got fuqed out...everyone would laugh, i mean like the whole town and he would shut up!.
Thought you may want to know this!.

**White Minority** · 10-11-2002, 11:52 PM

So, I guess you should let people do whatever they want since there are law suits. I'll remember to call the police if someone starts being a bully. I won't risk a law suit.

If someone is a bully to you then you are being picked on. Therefore call the police and tell them a mean bully is making fun of your kung fu and disrespecting the dojo and that you are highly educated and won't lower yourself to the barbarian ways of martial arts. Even though you attend a martial arts school.

**anton** · 10-12-2002, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by diego

Bullys etc?...this isnt ancient china we do have guns. This isnt a bruce lee flick...most do kungfu for selfdefence...they tend to be college educated in a western society...i dont think thier bodygaurd shop is in any need to be worried on going out of business...as they dont run one...So fighting for the respect of the altar proclaiming your style...seems rather childish nowadays/No

first buddy just wanted to trip...you walk him out, he calls you a biaotch!.

first buddy wanted to trip, you knock him the ****out then throw him...he gets drunk watches jerry springer, turns on the news spazzes, next morning your victem 10 but prolly in a new part of the country relating to the maryland sniper cnn reports!.

if he just wanted to trip in ancient china and got fuqed out...everyone would laugh, i mean like the whole town and he would shut up!.
Thought you may want to know this!.

Our school used to be in a hip/weird area and we had a Lot of weirdo's walk in, some thought they were in ancient China, others just showed disrespect. Either way sifu made sure they ran out of there and they never came back.
It's not about fighting for the honour of the school... its about disrespect, and how much of it you're willing to put up with.
Bullies are essentially the same grown-up as they were when you were at school: If you let them trample all over you they will. If you give them the impression that you don't take sh|t from anyone (even if it occasionally involves a bit of physical persuasion) they won't give you any.
Besides... I'm not talking about straight punching the guy out of nowhere, I'm talking about verbally letting him know what you think of him and if he challenges you to spar accept a friendly gloved sparring session to demonstrate your skills.

**diego** · 10-12-2002, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by anton

Our school used to be in a hip/weird area and we had a Lot of weirdo's walk in, some thought they were in ancient China, others just showed disrespect. Either way sifu made sure they ran out of there and they never came back.
It's not about fighting for the honour of the school... its about disrespect, and how much of it you're willing to put up with.
Bullies are essentially the same grown-up as they were when you were at school: If you let them trample all over you they will. If you give them the impression that you don't take sh|t from anyone (even if it occasionally involves a bit of physical persuasion) they won't give you any.
Besides... I'm not talking about straight punching the guy out of nowhere, I'm talking about verbally letting him know what you think of him and if he challenges you to spar accept a friendly gloved sparring session to demonstrate your skills.

See, i used to be that bully, so the disrespect issue is comical to me...Who cares what peeps think!.
And how are they going to trample all over you...this aint throw billy in the locker etc...bullys come back it gets criminal, then its a whole differant post we are talking about...coming from the perspect buddy threw a cig out on the floor...Obviously he is a goof, tell him to step...he comes back now he is a stalker stick him with a dart put him in a duffelbag and cement his ass off a bridge!.

I Still think its childish either way!.

**diego** · 10-12-2002, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by White Minority
So, I guess you should let people do whatever they want since there are law suits. I'll remember to call the police if someone starts being a bully. I won't risk a law suit.

If someone is a bully to you then you are being picked on. Therefore call the police and tell them a mean bully is making fun of your kung fu and disrespecting the dojo and that you are highly educated and won't lower yourself to the barbarian ways of martial arts. Even though you attend a martial arts school.

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well bud unless you do bjj..your "martial art school" is crap because i havent heard of yall bieng Huge Bodygaurds...and ralek doesnt promote your vids!.

its like this, backwhen they had these ego battles because it was highly economical, beat a school master you get the school. martial art was seceret brotherhood type ****.

nowadays unless yall play dressup at your class...most if they were in a challenge would be repping themself with the skill of thier school...wheras backwhen it was a org and usually thier was a philosophy to the style...like they may only be bhuddists...so the bhuddist kickers would battle the christian punchers...you doing that **** now, Please put down the pipe...you got cell phones and flushing toilets, no need to own the town as #1 kf Hero.

now if a gracie came into your school said i would love to test my skills to what you guys do see if i can learn anything, that is great...and they used to do that to as you always read about the one master rocking thye other but himself calling it a tie to give great face to all...etcetc

**Former castleva** · 10-12-2002, 06:16 AM

I so much agree with Kodiack.
I was going to write about that this second time I scan this thread but way to go,you did it already.

I doubt their teacher would like his students to pop up and throw cigarettes around the place...
If you can let those sifu(s) of theirs know still keeping your dignity,I think they´d be happy to come and drag those fellows away by their earlobes (metaphor)
Unless they have some impurites on their side.

**David Jamieson** · 10-12-2002, 06:47 AM

Refuse what they offer and return it in kind.

peace

**rubthebuddha** · 10-12-2002, 11:45 AM

kodiack is right -- tell the other person's sifu/sensei. if that instructor doesn't give a ****, then you know where the problem lies.

if legal issues are any concern of yours, then you have to play the legal game:

1. next time this kid comes in, tell him to leave. immediately, and to never return. if he does not leave, call the police. this establishes a record of your call. if the student just *****es and moans, then leaves, there's still a record that you called and complained.

2. if the student comes back again, do the same thing. this establishes a pattern of intentional misconduct.

3. if something nasty eventually happens, at least you have proof that the person brought this upon himself. you told him to leave, he did, and came back another day. that implies decisive behavior -- choosing to harass you regularly. he knows he's not welcome, and if he violates that, it's trespassing.

also, next time he's in, have someone take his picture so you can give it to the police -- as evidence that the chump did come in (things such as wearing different clothing imply different occasions) -- and as identification if he's difficult to track down.

like your kung fu, you're taking steps now to prepare yourself for those few instances in the future when you may really need it. do the same now -- take the necessary steps to make sure you're as prepared and safe in the future.

2 cents poorer, but i hope it helps.

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