Can't We Just Get Along CLF?

[yutyeesam]

Cody,
Well said. Any type of organization surrounding religion, politics, schools of thought/discipline, culture, whatever... tend to have bitter politics.
I would not be surprised if there are rival taoist groups that have a history of internal politics! Okay, that might be a stretch.

So it seems that this infighting is the natural way....if its not about lineage, it'll be about something else.


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[Serpent]

And so what? If you're happy with your style and you enjoy what you learn, why let what anybody else thinks bother you?

If politics bothers you that much then I would suggest that there is a deeper insecurity going on.

I would love to see everybody getting along, but if it doesn't happen, so be it.

[extrajoseph]

Originally posted by Cody
In answer: Because they don't want to.

In this sort of martial arts environment, the concept of just getting along is not working and wouldn't unless all the elders could come together in total honesty (including honesty about what is not known and full disclosure), and openly decide one way or the other, OR, to let each group go its way without loss of status, without loss of anything. because respect would be paid to all. It is my understanding that such a thing could theoretically happen. If I am incorrect, please excuse.

Cody

The CLF elders have already decided years ago that there is only one CLF and one Founder and that is why we do not see any written words in Chinese by any representatives of any branch to say otherwise (I have done my research on this, if I am incorrect please point me to the Chinese text). This is only a discussions forum in English and anyone can say whatever they want and you know how naive us "barbarians" can be.

Take it from me, the top guys are all together on this because we have too much to loose if there are 2 founders and there is no way we can work together and have respects for each other and that is very bad for business! Some (only two really that I know and please no names) tries to test the water for whatever reasons through their students and that is all. Deep down in our hearts, we are all one big family and there is only three characters to our name and that is CAI LI FO.

Relax guys, how about some really serious discussions on the difference between San Miguel and Fosters. Personally I prefer Jingtao or Jujiang even though they are not the real article, you know only the Germen can make good beer. Nowadays you can't tell since they all have shares in each other.

Hey, a beer is a beer and CLF is CLF. Pass the bottle, Frank and here one for you Dave and Wahgor, BTW, did you find a wife in China? (I just love these smilies!)

[iron_silk]

I thought things actually quiet down didn't they?

Besides only those who are loud with their own history and insist on thrusting and insulting others start problems. Other than that most just keep to themselves.

Perhaps deep inside we all find a little conflict interesting...who doesn't need a little fire in their belly to get the day going?

On that topic Sifu Lacey never answered my questions that I posted many months ago. Now this isn't meant to cause conflict (YES I am aware of the irony) but I just felt it's worth thinking about for fun. Considering I don't believe it's insulting to anyone.

"I took a look at Sifu Lacey's site and his interpretation of the history. There are certain things that I have noticed in the past after reading so many different stories trying to promote Cheung Hung Sing as co-founder.

1) They seem to always ignore Chan Yuen Wu involvement with Chan Hueng. Especially since it was Chan Yuen Wu that taught Chan Hueng Fut Ga Kuen.

2) Choy Fook did not teach Choy Ga Kuen. I am not sure if style of Choy Ga is around but if it is then I am sure we could get some more info from them.

3) Though not in all the cases they encourage the "Chan clan" theory even though there was documented history of students outside of this clan.

***4) When ever a style is created rarely if even at all would there be known to have more than one creator. In general when a style is created it is usually based on the belief of the one. Any more would create conflict. ***

***5) Therefore even if Ching Cho Monk exists Chan Hueng has already created his style, and therefore Choy Lay Fut. Why would Chueng Hung Sing want to get in on what his Sifu has kindly and graciously has worked so hard on? Once he is his teacher forever will he be. Never would Cheung Hung Sing be willing to accept a Co-founding title. Each would have their own style then.***

6) Chan Family is documented. Compared to word of mouth is likely be more believed especially in cases where the truth is hard to be found.

7) Only the Hung Sing lineage have been publicly aggressive with their history.

I am not saying what is true or not since it isn't possible. But like Fu-pow has said here (or else where) much belief must be suspended in order to accept the co-founder theory.

My points from 1 to 5 ties into a belief that Chan Yuen Wu is ignored in order to make room for Ching Cho and Cheung Yim's connection, and is assuming he is willing to take co-founder credit.

Thanks for reading!"

Good Luck!

[Stacey]

start hating on the wing chun guys and getting into intra school gang fights.

That will fix everything

[iron_silk]

Don't get fooled by Stacey's slithering words of persuasion!

Just kidding~!

[Fu-Pow]

start hating on the wing chun guys and getting into intra school gang fights.

That's the best idea I've heard so far. In fact I'm gonna start hating on anyone that isn't me or my Sifu. Actually I'm even gonna hate on my Sifu because I'm secretly jealous of him cause he's better than me...once again just kidding

[ZIM]

"The reason [school] politics are so vicious is because the stakes are so small."
-Henry Kissinger

Same old same old...

[Cody]

yutyeesam,
Yup, "it'll be about something else" because part of it is about something else to begin with. The details vary, but the nature of man in primal state rises up.

extrajoseph,
Your good humor is appreciated. However, I feel what is good or bad for business is the least of concerns. There are ways to correct errors without destroying human beings or any lineage(s) which have proven themselves in practice. This, in turn, leads to preservation of the business aspect.
I don't think it is a question of what there is to lose, but what is Right. True = what is known to have occurred. Right is to follow what is true.
When the skies are overcast and the air is just right, there are bolts of lightening. Significance is obscure. I wonder if there are more than two people dancing. It's more like prom night. Whatever, it's not the number of dancers that is of most importance. Even if only one.
I do not read Chinese. HG Welles, where is your time machine stored. I have a good use for it.

I don't drink alcohol, but I'll enjoy a cup of tea while reading what transpires.

Cody

[Diu Sao]

I like the hating on Wing-Chung idea (all in good fun y'all).


Diu Sao

[extrajoseph]

Originally posted by Cody
yutyeesam,
I don't think it is a question of what there is to lose, but what is Right. True = what is known to have occurred. Right is to follow what is true. When the skies are overcast and the air is just right, there are bolts of lightening. Significance is obscure.
Cody

Now let me remeber, the couplet goes something like this:

Loong Fu Feng Wun Hui
The Dragon and the Tiger met in Heaven

Tio Yi Ho Gi Wui
Teach your followers RIGHTEOUSNESS

Chong Gwon Sil Lum Sut
Revive the Shaolin Way

Sai Toi Mu Shun Wai
Let each generation uphold and enliven.

Being true and right is written into our "constitution", so you are right on Cody my brother. I am with you on this one. Let us not be blinded by falsehood and turn on each other. Let us treat this attempt to change history like a bit of hot air and postulating in a prom night by a bunch of young kids and that is all. Let us move on with a smile.

If you like tea, you should try "Dragon's Well" from Hangzhou, great stuff but whatever you do don't smoke it!

JoX

[Cody]

Went into poetry. It just happened. Nice response. Thanks.

I choose to believe what I can either prove for myself or what adds up for me in the realm of belief combined with other sources.
To observe, and drink my tea in peace, maintaining a neutral stance, and thinking as I please.

I do like green tea, as well as oolong as beverages.

Cody

[extrajoseph]

to observe and to comtemplate in silence
with a cup of fragrant tea by your side
heaven is not far away