Hung gar, the legend continues

[illusionfist]

Ok so how bout it? That last thread was pretty long

[illusionfist]

How bout somebody else presenting a topic??

Integration of lau gar?

Splitting sup ying into two sets (i.e. five animals)?

The addition of butterfly palm?

Sup yee gee kiu sau?

Throw me a bone here folks

Peace out [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

[DF]

I believe the last topic in discussion was spear and staff.

Lets get the ball rolling.


peace

[DF]

hey Illusionfist
seem like just me and you for now, I going in the chat room after this post , may be we can chat in there.

[illusionfist]

hey df, go to the chat room, it get's lonely in there

[DF]

Hi I am in there.
????
feel like in the twilight zone.

[Subitai]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DF:
I believe the last topic in discussion was spear and staff.

Lets get the ball rolling.

Hello Gentleman,

I'm new here so please bare w/ me. I am also a HG man. I don't usually do this net thing too often but i see you guys trying to be sensible and cool so what the heck. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

DF: What I really like about the Spear and staff is that they make you alternate your hand positions. Ie like Orthodox vs south paw. To me makes them interchangeble...except for certain cardinal rules. But never the less fun to play.

TO Illusionfist:

About Lau Gar, I only know two sets from it: Long Pole and standard hand set that most other schools have different variations for but basically are the same.

Is that also what you know? Curious

Now i have heard that there is a 3rd set. Have you heard of this? Has anyone? I thought it was lost???

take care,


Onassis
Instructor at Wing Lam

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[bean curd]

my understanding is also the same.
there are three lau gar forms
lau gar stick
lau gar fist
both of which are known.

the third is a lau gar palm form.
my understanding like you is that this one is lost and is not known to this day.
the two lau gar forms (fist and stick), where introduced to hung gar so they would not dissapear like the palm form
regards

[illusionfist]

Subitai- I only know Lau Gar Kuen but i have seen the long pole set.

So hows the stunt coordinator biz? I heard that you left Lam kwoon in order to pursue the stunts biz?

In general, I like monkey staff because it trains ambidexterity in fighting. It's a short but very dynamic set, that's why i like it so much. Another cool thing is that it's close to mid range, which is rare with a staff or any polearm for that matter.

Regarding the 3rd lau gar set, i also heard that it was a palm set. Who knows, maybe Gordon Liu knows it and he just doesn't want to tell the world!!!

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[Shadowman]

Hi everyone, Im new here.

I am studying Lau Gar Kung Fu, but have been doing so for about 9 months, so I know only 2 sets. Im about to begin learning the 3rd.

The first set is just the basic hand movement set, that Subitai mentioned. It's called 'Kay Boon Sau Fa'.

The second is set hand movement, called 'Jorn Sau'. This is a good set for breathing correctly with motion.

There are 6 set's to know up to brown sash level, then you start to learn set's based on weapon's. Hope this help's.

[bean curd]

welcome aboard shadowman,
in regards to the hung gar, lau gar forms, the lau gar kuen and the lau gar gwun, have you seen them, and are they also the ones that you have learnt or seen played in your lau gar kwoon.

do you know of a lau gar site that discusses the forms and maybe even shows some of the postures???

just curious.

thnks for the info in advance

regards.

[This message has been edited by bean curd (edited 04-10-2000).]

[Subitai]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by illusionfist:
So hows the stunt coordinator biz? I heard that you left Lam kwoon in order to pursue the stunts biz?

Subs= Oh, uh you caught me off guard. Yes, i'm still doing that but i'm also still an instructor for Sifu Lam. I'm just no longer his Shipping Mgr. for his business WLE.
I am acting and doing Fight Choreography for a Comedy/Kung Fu independant series. It's called "KWOON".

Web page for it is: <www.thekwoon.com> (Rt.now it's only a splash page but pls. visit)

All i can honestly say is, 'I can't vouch for my acting but i think the fighting is strong'. I'm going for a very specific genre of fight choreography. (Btw, if you watch it, we never undercranked the camera speed. It was all done live) Geez, i think i look fat on camera. Haha. Oh well.

My feelings are this, we couldn't possibly do Jackie Chan style choreography better than his crew could and everybody and their brother is attempting to do so. So i say why bother? I feel there is a WHOLE GENERATION OF KUNG FU NUTS OUT THERE that grew up watching the "OLD Shaw Bros Movies". I want to cater to them specifically.

Also, if any of you guys are in California and want to join in w/ our movie project. Just email me. I NEED MORE GUNG FU MEN. Not just specifically Hung Gar people. Anybody who's willing to work hard and do some o'l style gung fu movie fight scenes and perhaps get paid to do so, just let me know.
sorry for that rant.

In general, I like monkey staff because it trains ambidexterity in fighting. It's a short but very dynamic set, that's why i like it so much. Another cool thing is that it's close to mid range, which is rare with a staff or any polearm for that matter.

Subs= I like what you said here, i'm inclined to agree. Still,i'll always attk the center on the way in, aiming for the outer pts like hands and feet prior to the finishing blow.(long range to short rng) Also in that set the hand positioning is decieving too.(both hands overgrip) I like that as well.

Regarding the 3rd lau gar set, i also heard that it was a palm set. Who knows, maybe Gordon Liu knows it and he just doesn't want to tell the world!!!

SUbs=haha Ya, you know what? I was just joking about that the other day.

I'm in luck, I'm goin to see my Si Gung in May. Perhaps he may know the 3rd set.

Subs


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[Lost_Disciple]

Bear with me, I'm putting some e-mail stuff on here, cuz it relates.

Chris-
I talked to Thomas. Basically our Lau Gar sets have the same bow (3 directions), and the combo I was talking about (albeit done just slightly different). The main difference is that he has another combo; and the ending section is ENTIRELY different. He does "my combo" and the other combo twice each (alternating). The last section is totally different from the one I learned, except he does have the 2 or 3 arm breaks that mine's got (again done slightly differently). His has a bunch of butterfly-palm techniques- hope I have the terminology right here; it looks like a "Kamihamiha" from Dragonball Z or Ryu's fireball from Street Fighter 2.

Basically, I've come to the conclusion that everything I learned from my old sifu (except the Hsing Yi, Tai Chi, and maybe the Dragon) was a simplification of the original form. My bung bo is the same as Seven star (saw sifu do it Saturday), but with a ton of moves missing.

I'd like to see the other Lau Gar form- though hard to tell why they'd deliniate one "palm" and the other "fist", when the "fist" does have it's share of open-palmed techniques.

[Ben Gash]

The Lau Gar that shadowman talks about is the traditional shorthand lau gar kuen, one of the five original southern family styles (along with Hung, Li, Choy and Mok). As far as I can ascertain this bears very little resmblance to the hung gar lau routines.
You can get more information on this style by going to www.bkfa.org.uk , but it doesn't really give much of an idea.
I assume shadowman is English, as it's a lot more common here than in America.

[Paul Skrypichayko]

Hello, I'm new to this group, but maybe I can shed some light on the issue.

Originally, Lau Gar only had the kuen (fist) form, and the pang (pole) form. Just like other styles of kung fu, more was added in later. I suspect that this third form was probably created in the last 40 years or so, and most likely with a lot of the same moves found in southern shaolin style (hung gar) kung fu.

Point of interest; my sifu performed Lau Gar Kuen in front of Lau Jam back around 1963. For those who might not know, Lau Jam is the father of Lau Gar Leung, Lau Gar Fai, and Lau Gar Wai. I dont remember their English names, but one of them is Gordon Liu. All three were pretty famous in the days of Shaw Bros.