Need help with fighting

[friday]

hmmm i'll show u some kung fu thats better than southern stuff.
Ego/kelvin chan/goki primate himself in action
displaying the hard earned skills 'northern chicken legs kung fu'

http://www.geocities.com/goktimus/Martial.html

u should see how lethal he is against all the primary kids at chifley college. Ego can really kick some butt. so if u want any martial arts performances in sydney. u know who to call.

Ego Minimus!!!
Kelvin Chumpy!!!

[omarthefish]

Sometimes I used to like to drill 'slow sparring' .

Two people square off. 'A' throws a slow (not slow motion just kinda light and easy) punch.

'B' parries and counterattacks. 'A' counters . . back and forth.

It can be 'a' throws 3 hits and then 'b' attacks or whatever number you want. The goal is not to score but to find what attacks/parried flow comfortable from what positions.

If A's attack is blocked/parried in a clumsy fasion, A should just leave the hand out ther untill B finds a better method. Slowly at first and gradually faster.

It's a bit like learning to play tennis. Sometimes a begginer just wants to volleyto get a feel for the game. Nobodys really trying to score, just keep a good volley going. As the players get better they can gradually increase the speed, continuity and general intensity of the attacks.

[Jables]

Omarthefish

We train that way at our kwoon, and I've found it to be very beneficial. It's easier to see the correct usage of combos and blocks when done at a slower or even lighter pace. From my personal experience, I know how hard I can hit, and therefore if I go slower or lighter it definately makes it easier to speed up and apply.

[HuangKaiVun]

Seems that we are in AGREEMENT, omarthefish.

You just train with a different emphasis, that's all. I totally get and respect that.

But there's one thing I don't completely agree on - and that's your quote that "BJJ is better".

In the octagon where a person can't claw and bite, yes. In the STREET, I'm not so sure.


Don't mess with ego, omarthefish.

His real name is "Kelvin Chan" and he does Southern influenced Northern Praying Mantis.

Kelvin, as you can see from his website, is actually a Southern style martial artist himself.

[omarthefish]

I'm just starting to learn who are the personalities on this board.

And notice I really do qualify what I mean by 'better'. If you just look at what your gonna be able to use in say a 3 to 6 month period . . . I'll bet on the BJJ'ers every time. Thai boxers can kick @$$ in 3 months if they train hard. I'm not even saying Hung Gar is a ten year program or anything. It's just more versitile and you've got a broader curriculum so naturally it's gonna take a little longer to get up to speed.

I still don't even want to bother with the whole biting thing. . . I almost said 'CLAWING-biting thing', but then I remembered TIGER-crane. Duh.

We kinda got off on the wrong foot, but hey, so what. We'll jsut have to disagree on a few things. That's what makes life interesting.

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

HuangkaiVun:

First things first, I'm not Kelvin chan and I don't maintain a web page. You on the other hand don't dare front up to your own challenge and face me.

It is so typical that you go on about the clawing thing. The only difference between karate and hung gar is the claws you have at the end. Panther fist, tiger claw, dragon claw (bigger version of tiger claw), snake's head, crane beak - and that's it. All the movements underpinning all of your animal forms are identical - except for the hand configuration.

You haven't sparred against a BJJ let alone step foot in an octogan. your tiger claw and fancy uniform will do you no good. absolutely none at all.

Omarthefish:

What you're saying is you need to stay out of trouble for 10 years if you do Hung Gar before you can defend yourself. Say you learn at the age of 20, you have to wait till you're 30. How stupid is that. In that time you can learn BJJ and kick boxing, go hard core in the Octogan if you want and sit around wait another 9 years before a Hung Gar student who trained the same time as you can meet your challenge.

Hung Gar is such a stupid style. I mean you can accomplish your fighting skills in 3 months. Why do you even bother about Hung Gar - is it the fancy uniforms?

[Jables]

The sad thing is, you are kelvin chan. I've seen the proof. I've seen the one thread where you play all three roles, kelvin, goktimus, and ego, and you aren't too good about differentiating between the three. For HKV to "front up to his own challenge" he would have to fly to australia. If you'd like to continue to deny it I'll go find the link and put it in this thread so you can ignore it in here as well as the other threads that you've started to ignore.

Your ignorance shows through every time you post. Why people actually humor you is beyond me.

[HuangKaiVun]

I did understand what you meant by "better", omarthefish.

99.9999% of the time, I'd agree with you about Hung Ga being slower to learn than other styles for combat. That's the way it is being taught nowadays.

Despite that, though, a lot of Hung Ga moves can readily and quickly be adapted to combat situations. Your mentioned "tiger" claw hand is and has been quickly adapted for street usage by military units, certain police forces, and various civilian groups. It's not necessarily taught as "tiger palm", but a claw to the face can hurt anybody.

Certainly the tools to hurt anybody are contained in any of the 5 major Hung Ga empty hand sets. Personally, my favorite is the Tiet Sin set because of its power training and basic hand postures.

I think it's more a matter of how it's taught and practiced as opposed to the art itself being slow to learn.


Kelvin, I'd love to fight you in what you call "Manhatten"

If you're really from New Jersey, then tell me what structures one can see on the left from the New Jersey Turnpike going south right after getting out of the Holland Tunnel.

And what's the nickname for New Jersey, anyway?

If you answer these correctly, I'll have more questions for you. After all, I have RELATIVES in New Jersey.

[omarthefish]

claws, palm strikes comination of the above yeah, yeah.

Can't speak on Tit Sien Kuen, my Sifu typically teaches it only after 7 or 8 years. That's recently. It used to be about a 10 year wait. I also want to be on record as having said quite specifically you DONT need to train for 10 years to use the stuff. I was jsut about due to learn it (Tit Sien) and then I hopped off to China.

My school was pretty flexible. No real set order for learning most stuff. The order you learned the core sets was set but your progress in that department could be interrupted at any time by all sorts of reasons. Weapon sets, learning a northern set, learning a two man set. Those sorts of things could happen just whenever Sifu felt it was appropriate and in no apparent set order of progression.

As for quickly adaptable stuff, I goto a local gym here in China to use the heavy bag to practice mostly hung gar and they all think I'm working on western style boxing. Closed fists instead of 'beaks' and 'claws'. But regardless of how you train, it jsut takes a while to develope enough root to avoid being taken down by even a beggining wrestler. If you did thai boxing, you'd be just throwing a thousand round kicks a day and that one technique alone could carry you through a ton of fights. I train it myself just because it's such a simple no brainer under pressure.

Tit Sien is rad but I'll jsut have to wait. The basic internal stuff is there in sup yin anyways. I think it's a bit ill advised to go on about Tit Sien Kuen to much in a forum like this. Some folks have made themselves really sick trying to learn it on their own. Without a proper guide that kind of internal training is more dangerous than something simple like zhan zhuang. The worst to come of poor taiji training is lousy useless gong-fu. Poor Tit Sien training could leave you with a lousy useless liver.

[fgxpanzerz]

This is great. Eight years and you never learned the wire form? The problem with martial arts training is that there aren't any straght answers. Does sparring equal fighting? Some say yes, some say no. IF you're good at sparring, are u a good fighter? AGain, no answer. Sparring seems very limited to me. The gear just messes u up. Cant use certain hand strikes, cant see past helmet, less fear because you have the gear on...etc. Hung gar is a good system to learn to fight but it does take a while. Some people study for years and still cant fight. The way I see it, if I never become a good fighter, atleast the forms and what not kept me healthy. I mean, come on. Do any of us really need to become super saiyans? Where I live, I never see fights. Yeah, i might get into a scuffle eventually, but I dont expect to for a long time. I prefer light contact sparring without gear rather than just boxing with gear on. how long has it been since I posted? a long time. Oh ya, before I forget. Hung gar has a lot of grappling. Tons! A lot of it is a different kind if grappling than what I've typically seen. I've seen a bunch of people throwing each other over their shoulders, bending wrists, and elbows. Ripping skin is a form of grappling as well.

[cha kuen]

I would say that strategy and the psychological/emotional content are very important things to learn about when fighting.

kung fu books

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

HuangKaiVun:

I'm not here to justify where I live, but I think you need to justify to your students as sifu why slow teaching is the way hung gar is being taught nowadays? That I would also like to know.

I know other styles claw when need be. But why call yours a tiger claw or a dragon claw. Shouldn't you be concentrating (as sifu) on claw usage rather than fancy names?

What do you do in the form that could risk getting a lousy liver? doesn't make sense. Joint damage from hard impact work - yes, but liver - commmmme onnn man! Can't you think of a better excuse to delay your students from learning that form for 10 years?

Omarthefish:

Why wait 7 or 8 years? Shouldn't your sifu teach according to ability rather than the time you've been a member of the school. Suppose a person trains 4 times a week instead of 1, does it mean he or she needs to spend 4 times the equivalent hour as the one who trains once a week before learning that form?

Have you told your sifu that what he is doing is stupid? spend me his email I'll tell him myself - on your behalf.

fgxpanzerz:

When I was training kungfu, I look for fights. Taking your example of "super seyences", isn't it through difficult fights that they reach higher levels of competence? I will keep coming back to the opponent until he is defeated, then I will move on to the next and the next. Too bad a car accident took that away from me.

If I want to keep fit, I might go to the gym, work out on weights and cardio. Much better than forms. i hate people who train forms and can't fight.

[omarthefish]

fgxpanzerz,

This is great. Eight years and you never learned the wire form?

Without being able to see or hear you I actually can't tell if that is sarcasm or you actually think that's a good thing.

Ego,

I really want to argue with you but your posts are getting so far removed from the posts they are commenting on it's hard to see what it is your saying. Where did you pull this mysterious 'have to wait 10 years'line out of. What do you think I was doing for those 7 or 8 years?

Did you get traumatized by 3 star arm training so bad that now all you can do is type. . . oh I forgot your a NORTHERN stylist you probably like to use your feet . Put the knitting needles down ya little green man and get back to your silly northern troll style.

[Geezer]

EGO/GOKTIMUS PRIME Example,



Shoalin Kids Example,



What's wrong with this "Picture"

Man, Ego you've been out done by a kid

[HuangKaiVun]

Kelvin/Ego/Goktimus, you're sinking deeper.

You still haven't shown me you're from New Jersey.

What really frightens me is that you actually dare to teach people.

You should be banned from education.


I see nothing wrong with not having learned the Iron Wire set after 8 years.

There are guys that train nothing but one set and they fight or do sets great.

It's not what one knows, it's how he does it that counts.