Kuen Kuit

[Hendrik]

a song is better then 1000 posts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fw18...eature=related

[Hendrik]

Forgive me if I'm confused about your point, but this is no Kuen Kuit I know, let alone a Ving Tsun Kuen Kuit. It is, however a Buddhist Sutra from the Song of Enlightment.

You missed my point. and song of enlightment is not a sutra but a song/ a Kuit.

I prefer this common translation from http://www.caodongzazen.com/(english...(english).htm:
To purify the five types of vision and pain the five powers,
One must personally realize that which is beyond conception.
It is easy to recognize images in a mirror,
But who can grasp the Moon from the Water?

prefer and translation are two misleading terms.
I too have attained the same attainment is what needed.

Also, If you are going to use someone else's work, you really should cite the source, otherwise it could be construed as plagiarism.
http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/Buddhis...ightenment.htm

Speak about you speak about me what is the different?

I am trying to get people out of their spinning mind with any tool.

I certainly can said, that is what I learn from my sifu. and then it starts again on name droping and.....etc ego arguements......

[JPinAZ]

typical, Hendrik still mixing stuff from all different sources and trying to call it WC

[Hendrik]

typical, Hendrik still mixing stuff from all different sources and trying to call it WC

Here goes again. programing robotic mind as usual. hahaha



instead of thanking me going through everything to communicate what is the "SILENCE" as in the "Using Silence to lead the Action" means.

and also how to attain it.

[Hendrik]

OK, you all want to see some part of the real thing from the Red Boat 1850?

it is 2010, time to release some. Let's speak with solid facts.



Here are some:


This is from my lineage and my transmission. Hope that this direct release dont attract some one's EGO attack ; or shock some people.



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紅船班中正旦易金祖師傳

Transmitted by Grand master Yik Kam of Red boat opera.




小練頭歌訣

Siu Lien Tau Kor Kuit

Comment: The practicing direction note of SLT.



斯是上乘法,通關開竅有奇功.


This is advance technics. It wonderfully Open up the key nodes/gates and penetrate the path ways.


Commentary: This SLT is an advance set which serve the purpose of open up the key nodes/gates and penetrate the path ways





左手鞭出橫力勁,

Left hand whip out the horizontal Jin/power.


Commentary:

This is the first training movement of SLT after settling the shen, Qi, and body in the YJKYM...


such as describing as the following


(集意会神平肩襠 双手前起半(分)陰阳 左脚跘出有善惡…. 右跟曲勁口口口…

Collect the Yee - Union with the Shen - Equal shoulder stance
Both hands, while rising forward, break into duality (Yin Yang)
Both hands raise upward seperate into the Yin and Yang phases.
Left leg trip out consists of aiding or cancellation.
Right heel, coiling ging, reversed stores
Fuse the pre/post breath within the Dantien,
Du medirian, descending….. )




The arm whip out section by section or join by join softly and lightly similar to snake to cultivate the delivery of horizontal power.


Why horizontal power? In order to have a complete basic power generation; There are two type of fundamental power which are needed, these two basic elements are the vertical power and the horizontal power. From the combination of the two basic elements the six directional force vectors are composed.

In general, SLT today has evolve to the point of eliminate this section but go directly to the vertical power.

We know after 1850, the horizontal power section got evolve.



In Emei 12 Zhuang, this whip out movement is called Snake slide pupa move. The movement is described as how snake slide and pupa move.





神寄指爪袖底旁,


Pay attention to the finger tip and the hand on the side of the sleeve.


Commentary:

Pay attention to the finger tip means using the Shen to lead the Qi and power to the finger tips.

Pay attention to hand on the side of the sleeve indicate there is a half Yin and Yang medirians Jin hidden in the sleeve side of the hand which is also needed to be cultivated by paying attention instead of being fuzzy and sloppy.
This type of jin/power is needed while rotating and spiralling.....etc.




旋迥自然順脈气.

Spiraling and retrograding naturally accord to the Qi medirians.


Commentary:

While whipping, spiraling, rotating, the physical movements must naturally follow the direction flow of the three Yin and Three Yang medirians.


The above given instruction on how using the Shen/Attention leads lead the Qi. using the natural flow of the medirians to transport the physical movements.
and how the physical movement support other elements above to cultivate the jin /power.





MY Note:

意動神到指爪, 气順手三陰三陽脈走.

As the Will move attention/Shen arive to finger tips. Qi flows via follow the hand's three Yin and three Yang medirians.


是峨嵋＋二庄的獨門蛇行蛹動練法. 所以訣說, 是真實話.



This is the Emei 12 Zhuang's unique Snake slide pupa cultivation technic.
Thus, the Kuit is telling the truth when it said It wonderfully Open up the key nodes/gates and penetrate the path ways.




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Ok, there is nothing misterious. there is no secret, however, there are plenty of cultivation methodology either one knows or one knows not. it is all about training methods to attain the purpose of the training. does one train accord to the clear instruction as above?


How much of these type of WCK teaching has gone to grave with the ancestors of the past? lots.

not to mention, there are prerequisite one needs to know such as in this case, how to use the attention, the flow path of the qi medirians......etc.

It is not the spinning mind deal absolutely not. and without get into silence one doesnt manage the attention to lead the Qi well. because the mind is disturbing the heck out of everything and cause the training to be noisy and absent of awareness.

Does one enter into silence or does one let the program one keep drilling to take over. Those are different things.

enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwbtbfAnI80

[Vajramusti]

Thanks for sharing your tradition.

A question- what is "pupa" (in snake slides)?

I don't know that word.

Regards, Joy

[Vajramusti]

Pupa- I got the meaning of the term.


joy chaudhuri

[Vajramusti]

Thanks Hendrik.

Good teaching in the Ip Man tradition also fuses the exrernal and internal elements of the slt. IMO.

Of course, a great art takes time for understanding even with very good instruction.

joy chaudhuri

[chusauli]

The Yik Kam SLT Kuen Kuit are a real treasure and preservation of early WCK.

It is a real heirloom of an era past.

Nothing like it has been revealed in WCK's real history.

[Hendrik]

Robert,

As you know since we are working together on these. It takes lots and lots prerequisite knowledge from Buddhism, Daoism, TCM, TCMA IMA basic to decode it.

Similar to a blink of eyes but many decades has passed....



I am sitting here after these many decades since 1977 the year I got the Kuen kuit and listern to the song...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9nIUqrZ5kY&NR=1



well there is no regret.

[LoneTiger108]

Some interesting research here Hendrik.

Thanks for sharing this treasure of Yik Kams and don't lose faith in this type of knowledge as I think there's still so much more to be shared.

Older texts and maxims may not have all been lost

[LoneTiger108]

It is a real heirloom of an era past.

Nothing like it has been revealed in WCK's real history.

I wouldn't be so sure Robert. Lee Shing passed a great deal to my Sifu including maxims like these. This was the main reason I studied with him.

[Hendrik]

I wouldn't be so sure Robert. Lee Shing passed a great deal to my Sifu including maxims like these. This was the main reason I studied with him.

why dont you share some with us?

[mikelee]

Thanks for the sharing, here's another Red Boat Kuen Kuit. abstracted from Wingchunpedia:

The Original Red Boat Song of Wing Chun Kuen

The techniques of Wing Chun Kuen are unique;
The methods are impenetrable, changing them should be avoided!
Correct teaching, correct practice and the correct mindset are essential.
You must train your heart to be courageous.

Relaxing and smiling whilst defeating the opponent makes for great tales;
Seeking by the questioning hand to judge the foe’s situation.
It is like watching flowers when he is further away;
Striking when he is near.

Let him fly like a dragon and hop like a tiger, while I am at ease and entertained;
The hands strike like a falling star!
The kick is formless like a flying arrow!
Above, remain on the centerline;

Below, close the groin,
Ensuring the body is inaccessible.
The key is sticking to the bridge of the enemy!
Exalted awareness controls his advance;

The skill is to borrow force and strike forcefully.
Lead him into emptiness;
To strike first has its reasons;
In the encounter is embedded the mystery!

Do not stop at a single strike,
Pressuring the opponent continuously is essential.
Go on top of the incoming bridge,
Neutralize the incoming elbow with an elbow.

Close in to long range strikes
Move the stance forward to an incoming stance.
Keeping the incoming hand and send forward the outgoing hand,
A loose hand must be followed with a forward thrust.

Take the incoming straight thrust with a curve,
Encounter the cross hand with a straight thrust forward.
Forwarding, obstruction, blocking and twisting
Topping, stopping, sinking, thrusting,

Sticking, touching, ironing, swinging,
Swallowing and spitting contain stealing and slipping.
Each point in the theory must be very clear.
Each technique must be clear.

The difference of a line is like heaven and earth.
The slightest bit of slackness will bring defeat.
Commit all these to memory!
One day retrieve the mystery within.

Honour your teacher and respect the art, year after year,
Honestly and determination will generate greatness!
Clever methods will generate more clever methods;
Unusual training exercises will generate more unusual training exercises;

Wind and thunder generated within an inch -
How can you not be humbled?
The true words of the originator:
The true skill of Wing Chun is difficult to find,

There are many levels.
The true art will be found in the most unusual circumstances;
You must be intelligent and diligent over the years,
The unworthy practitioner will always be a lonesome boat in a big ocean.

The art protects the art!

Saturday, September 09, 2006 Copyright 2002–2006 Yun Hoi Wing Chun Kuen

[-木叶-]

Most of this stuff is so obscure and meaningless that it makes little to no sense at all.

I assume you are referring to the kuit, so i have to disagree that it is obscure
and meaningless.

Some excerpts:

怕打终打
贪打防空
以攻为守
以守为攻

Afraid to strike, and you will be striked
Greedy to attack, and your defence will be neglected
Attack is defense
and defense can be offense

力从地起
发力在腰
出招在膊
发人者力
打人者劲

Energy derives from the ground
And drives from the waist
and directs from the elbow
Use others energy
to hit them with their own force

To quote CFT, these are profound little "bullet-points", like small reading cards we carry, but their meaning lies in the stacks of notes we joted down before.