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    Question Terminology: what's in a name?

    I want to ask all of you (the more the better) something about the names of WC techniques, particularly techniques found in SLT. Obviously, everybody knows Taan/Tan sau, Bong sau, Pak sau, Fook/Fok sau, Wu sau, Jut sau... but what about the others? The thing is, my sifu doesn't care much for the names; still, I think it's nice to know these things (it widens your theoretical if not your practical knowledge). From what I've heard, not all techniques in WC were given their specific names; some were added later (e.g., Ding/Ting sao) and some movements still are "nameless".
    For example, in the beginning of SLT, when you cross your hands in front of you - some call it "Sup jee/yee sau", some "Double cultivating hand", some don't call it anything... what's the right term?
    Also, do you know about something called "Sow Jong" (Back elbow)?... I can't connect that name with any of the movements in SLT.
    So, I would be very grateful if you could write down "your" version of SLT, with names and everything, in correct order - you know, like "Left Yat jee kuen - Huen sau, return - right Yat jee kuen - Huen sau, return - left Taan sau - Wu sau - Fook sau..." and so on. Or, you could simply enumerate them. Any kind of help would be greatly appreciated.
    I am not interested in obtaining free online lessons :-), only in exchanging thoughts and experiences, and, if possible, clearing some things up.

    TIA,

    quiet man
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    Talking Hi Silent One

    Check Rene's site (www.wingchunkuen.com)

    He gives a breakdown (in technique terms) for SNT and CK. I believe it's in the Routines section of the site.

    www.realwingchun.co.uk gives a breakdown of SNT and CK in terms of what the techniques/motions are, and where energy should be applied.

    Some explanations vary, however. The elbow breaking/damaging motions in CK are refered to as Tok Sau in my club. I'm not entirely sure, but I think others call this Jeep Sau.

    Rene - Thanks for the explanation with regards 'inside join'.
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    Thanks a bunch, o blue and black one .

    I think that elbow breaking motion you're referring to IS Jeep/Jip sau - it combines Jut sau and Tok sau
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    Quiet man and others- I dont have the call numbers handy but
    you can look up Augustine Fong's website...there is a fairly large dictionary of Cantonese wing chun terms. Some of these terms are common to other wing chun lines--the basic terms. Many others are line
    specific. Many teachers traditionally corrected the motions rather than teach the nomenclature. I am a middle of the roader- perhaps a rationalization- I dont use every one of the terms for all motions- but I think that knowing enough of them helps with communication within and outside of one's lineage.

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    Originally posted by joy chaudhuri
    Quiet man and others- I dont have the call numbers handy but
    you can look up Augustine Fong's website...there is a fairly large dictionary of Cantonese wing chun terms. Some of these terms are common to other wing chun lines--the basic terms. Many others are line
    specific. Many teachers traditionally corrected the motions rather than teach the nomenclature. I am a middle of the roader- perhaps a rationalization- I dont use every one of the terms for all motions- but I think that knowing enough of them helps with communication within and outside of one's lineage.
    http://fongswingchun.com/terms.htm
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