"Fighting styles" of the non-trained

[SevenStar]

It was brought up in another thread that people in one state generally attack a certain way - a way that is completely different from the norm in my state. Where you are, how does the average altercation start? what types of tactics are used?

[Stranger]

Philadelphia / South Jersey:

Assuming the bad guy is right handed and wants to start the brawl......

1) You will get grabbed by his left hand with a bent arm and pulled in.

2) One of two things will then happen (listed in order of likelihood):

- he will then punch with his righthand to your head. If this is the way it starts, it will continue until you break the grip- nothing but rights.
or
- he will knee your yarbles or gut-punch you to bring your face down and start pumping uppercuts into your face while holding onto your clothes.

[dezhen2001]

usually where i am back home (scotland) ive noticed 1 of 3 things usually happens:

1) grab then headbutt
2) push then a football (soccer) type kick
3) push or suckerpunch

the big kicks are interesting as they usually dont work but people try anyway

dawood

[MonkeySlap Too]

Back in Chi-town:

A shove followed by looping haymakers all the way to pounding on the ground.

Arms wide, chest out 'you wanna take a swing at me' followed by looping haymaker.

A grap of your coat, and repeated banging of your head against an object.

The one arm grab to your chest, while pulling the unseen knife with the other hand.

Jumping around swinging a branch or board.

Bicycle chain or lock chain, wrapped in fist. Usually pulled unseen after a shove.

An amazing tendency to leap and punch to the head.

On the West Coast:
I haven't seen a real fight yet.

[SevenStar]

a shove followed by a quick strike, then followups. If you fall to the ground, they will kick and stomp you.

if you have on a big coat of baggy shirt, they will (if the opportunity is presented, pull your shirt/coat over your head and arms, then beat you while you are helpless

[Ben Gash]

Stand really close, shouting at you, followed by increasingly heavy pushing. Then succesion of flailing punches and soccer type kicks until a clinch, where one drives the other back until they hit a wall. Ineffectual short punches and knees until somebody gets on top and starts really pounding. Then mates pile in and give a life threatening kicking on the ground.
This is providing no one brings a knife/bottle/pint glass into play.

[jon]

Two definately distinct things where ive lived, both of which in Australia.

First is the stupid dissagreement which is usualy due to alchol or escultated emotions.
1 Posturing - clenching fists, trying to look taller, being verbaly abusive, trying generaly to intimidate.

2 Testing - pushing, faking punches, telling opponent to 'put up your guard.

3 The confrontation is usualy esculated to blows... then its pretty much madhouse time. People 'here' seem to have little idea, likely due to increased emotion levels and stress the often overreact and simply go litteraly nuts. A commen tactic is to stick your head down and then throw contant windmill punches. Often with very little idea if your opponent is even where you are punching. There is occasional bull rushing and a lot of what i call 'blitzing' which is basicaly trying to throw so many punches so quickly your opponent will be overwealmed.
However people in these situations rarely seem to actively fight on the ground. Most of these style confrontations are about pride and one person either backing down or hitting the floor and not looking like they are in a hurry to get back up are usualy a sign of dominence and enough to stop most of these altercations.

Another interesting thing is in these situations multiples and weapons are *very* rare. These fights are almost purely for pride and anyone or thing 'helping' would be seen as somehow 'cheating'.


The other type of fight is the more serious of the two and usualy occurs very quickly with little or none of the intitial two phases. Multiples and weapons are also often involved. This style is usualy employed by people who fight more often as they know the element of surprise gives them a distinct advantage.

1 Sucker punch - failing this the blitz
2 Headhunt, most of these type of fights and fighters involve amost exclusive headshots. Obviously both fighters are trying to end this asap, the prevelence of one hit knockouts on the media also seems to make many people think this is the most likely way to victory. Basicaly its throw enough punches at there head in as short a space of time as possible and with any luck at least a few will get in and do some serious damage.
3 This type of fight usualy has to be proparly ended and as such if one person go's to the floor the other will be stomping or going the GnP.


There fights are very different animals. One is all about pride and is basicaly almost done like a ritual. The other is simply 'one' person doing there best to annilate another in as short as time as possible.

Ive seen loads of the former and thankfully fairly few of the latter.

[Former castleva]

Yeah.A bit like your stories guys.
I don´t know of state norms but here´s how it goes like in here.

A few guys start circling each other a bit looking for openings and looking for fear and "how far they can go".
There are those basical postural and body language related signs telling of conflict,then it starts getting harder...

Usually at this point another guy forms hanging horse stance and focuses on his opponent trying to root himself and generates chi from the dan tien.
Other person looks for his fighting style and tries to put in a shot or two,usually using tiger claw,leopard fist or related hand forms and assumes a cat stance.
Ma bu guy dodges and moves in a with rapid yu fen strikes to opponent´s dim mak points of head and neck region,followed with a lightning kick.
Another guy now throws a nuki-te which is blocked by upper wrist block and followed with chin-na which tends to be either "Hand seizes the dragon´s head" or "hsuen di joan",sometimes they refer to something different.
At this point fight usually ends with a penetrating pa kua influenced fa-jing palm strike.



Besides that,I still don´t know of state norms but uncontrolled sucker punch to head region might be one of the most usual attacks.
Also pushes and grabs may often start a conflict I guess.

[Royal Dragon]

LOL!! You are SO right about Chi Town fighting!!!

In my experiance it it starts with yelling, then yelling toe to toe face to face as loud as they can, poking the other in the chest then pushing, shoving and the two throwing a flurry of hook/cross looking "Haymakers" till one goes down followed by hard foot stomping untill someone is killed, or his freinds pull him off of his opponent.

Here in Chicago, you are also likely to face the charge in and sucker punch you followed by the grounding and sitting on the chest and pounding away till someone pulls him off, or he gets tired. Then, as he is retereating, he will throw a couple of stomps and last shot kicks wile yelling obsenities and threats to entire families, even the unborn of several generations into the future (Especially the Italian neighborhods).

I have seen guys with TKD experiance punch like a street boxer to really soften them up, and then use a high TKD kick to ground them followed by the kick'em wile they are down sinario. Ribs are the target for most hostiles, but the head is sometimes used when murderous intent or infadelity has occured (usually against the guy she cheated with).

We also like to football tackle followed by the sitting on thier chest and pounding thier head and then stand up and getting some last shot kicks in as it's ending.

[Chang Style Novice]

What are you guys up to that you get into so many scrapes? I haven't been involved in a real fight since, like, middle school. I haven't seen one for about ten years (at a really rowdy college party.)

And I live in TEXAS! Austin Texas, sure, but still TEXAS!

My guess; you a bunch of troublemakin' mofos.

[dre]

I've seen a lot of pushing and standing grapping, which usually ends with:

(a) Someone getting side-kicked (or some approximation of a side kick) in the stomach, pushed of, and maybe punched and kicked some more. The kicked guy usually loses at this pont.

(b) The one who started the grappling will upend the other person and push him over, and maybe send a kick or two his way on the ground.

(c) The gappled starts throwing uppercuts at the guy grappling him and it turns into boxing with crap kicks.

[Sharky]

they are really into bottling people here in wales. london it's knifes in most case.

when it's fistycuffs, the welsh are quite handy with their fists, and there are loads of rugby players. in london it's about getting attacked by groups, haymakers are the order of the day.

[SevenStar]

I wonder if a new trend will emerge here - We have gone from a latino population of virtually nil 7 years ago to over 300,000 now. A few years ago, when I was in kali and jun fan, There were some hispanics there that were pretty darn adept in escrima. Also, I've seen a few non-public capoeira groups practicing.

[SevenStar]

crap, I forgot this thread was for non-trained people...

[tnwingtsun]

In North Carolina they throw a Vinigar based BBQ sauce at
cha(the best!),in South Carolina they throw a Mustard based BBQ
sauce at cha,I've heard that where you live theres some serious
sauce slinging going on.

Up north they throw garbadge at cha and cuss alot,the way its going now I'd say in five years time most folks will be throwing
taco sauce at cha!