Shaolin Temples of Malaysia

[r.(shaolin)]

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Shaolin Master wrote:

Many of my Uncles in

[Shaolin Master]

r.(shaolin) wrote :
Frankly becoming disciples of Shi De Qian doesn't add any credence that ShuangLin Temple (or Lian Hua Shan Shuang Lin Si) had any connection to the historical to Shaolin Si in Honan or for that matter their martial arts (as Tan Chin Hock seems to claim).
To imply that the very obvious southern style taught by Shi Gao Cen was anyway close to the northern styles of Shaolin Si is simple not credible.
In the north on the contrary Buddhism sought support of the imperial government which was very welcoming of such a relationship.
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Of course it does not add credibility it just explains the modern interest in Shi Gao Cen's arts and that a connection existed was not implied read again : The arts were from Shi Hui Ching who was said (read carefully not claimed said) to have practised some form of 'shaolin' arts however no relation to SongShan ShaoLinSi was implied (or Northern shaolin for that matter). In fact the arts are generic of those practised in Fujian province mainly.

So your implication is that Northern Buddhist factions were well connected to the political stream of things and government. Where as the Southern acted as an independent entity that selected its behaviour and actions based on assessment ?

Even though I have been a disciple of both Shi Gao Cen's arts and Shi Heng Lin's for a significant amount of time I must say that you have not read the post carefully and still instigate some of the Tan CHin Hock commentary.

Next time you wish to exercise critical thought ensure that your have properly thought over the mentality of the writer not just the mixed up ideals of a whole martial entity.

Finally what is your point that has not already been made clear ?

Cheers
Wu Chan Long

PS : love your cool word 'heterodox' was the northern '****dox then :-) just playing

[r.(shaolin)]

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[r.(shaolin)]

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Shaolin Master wrote:
Tan . . . . has NO claim over the word Shaolin

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Just to put some closure to this.

This group does not have any exclusive right to ‘Shaolin wushu.’ I think they know that now.
Not a bad fellow, just uninformed . . . .or possibly mislead by his teachers. . . .

r.

[NorthernShaolin]

r.

So does that mean the courts did not rule in his favor? If he lost, this is great news, not only for you but for everyone who has concerns about CMA's future in the long course of time.

[bungle]

Do you guys think this information has any bearing on Wong Kiew Kits style, www.wahnam.com? Thanks

[r.(shaolin)]

The phrase “Shaolin Wushu” (which referes to the Mandarin pronunciation) was commonly used to describe Shaolin martial arts in northern China prior to the 1900’s. For various reasons the use of the Mandarin in relationship to Southern Shaolin styles, begun only since the mid 1980’s. Nevertheless, the term was traditionally used to describe two major divisions, “northern shaolin wushu’ and ‘southern shaolin wushu’, and countless off-shoots and branches that developed over literally centuries and is a commonly held part of Chinese culture. It would be arrogant for a single corporate entity to misappropriate these descriptive words for themselves or their financial gain. IMO this goes for the present Shaolin Temple as it does for us.
Although the association I belong to has been using the term “shaolin wushu” for generations, (lets say a long, long time before 1949) we are making no claim to any exclusive use of it. We however, have clear documentation of using this term (the pinyin) long before the term had equity or common use in the West or for that matter in the PRC or Malaysia.
The bottom line is, after meeting face to face we were able to settle the matter lets say amicably. One other note, it is highly unlikely the Shaolin Temple or the Chinese government was behind any of this. We did meet with the Consulate General of the Peoples's Republic of China for western Canada, and they were very surprised to hear of it. Further more, the Chinese community in general was taken aback by it as well.

r.

[dc_jowga]

have you heard of "kek lok si"? my sijo studied there. i have not been avle to find any information about it.

[saolim]

"Kek Lok Si" is a well known temple in Penang, Malaysia.
Very popular with tourists.

I never heard anything about martial arts being practiced in that temple.

Try whis site for more (general: non-martial art) info on the temple:

http://penangtalk.com/cgi-bin/anyboa...=tK-yVz-aO-hKz

Or search by yourself:

http://penangtalk.com


Best wishes,

Simon
www.saolim.tk

[GeneChing]

Given the scope of the project, this must be official, yes?

Tuesday, 3 May 2016
Shaolin temple, hotel to replace forest area

BY ARNOLD LOH, SYED AZHAR, T. AVINESHWARAN, LOGEISWARY THEVADASS, NORBAITI PHAHARORADZI, andKHAIRANI QALBI


View of Teluk Bahang coastal line from the bald patches on hill slope.

GEORGE TOWN: A Shaolin martial arts temple, international school, college, four-star hotel and over 2,100 residential units – these are the plans for the huge piece of cleared hillslope forest near Teluk Bahang.

The temple will cover 3,700sq m with a 450sq m meditation yard. The proposed hotel will be 25 storeys high on a 4,280sq m plot.

Housing units being planned include 1,378 affordable housing units in five 30-floor towers, 351 terraced and semi-detached houses, 135 two-storey bungalows and 216 “super condos” in a 32-floor tower.

The condo tower is laid on the development plan at the fringe of the land near Teluk Bahang Recrea*tional Forest, overlooking the dam.

Development data on the plan shows the plot measures about 20ha.

“Although the plan was never submitted to the state government, it is displayed on the developer’s website as a project in the company’s pipeline,” said a source who revealed the development plan.

On Feb 13, Google Earth updated its satellite image of Teluk Bahang, revealing a swathe of forest that is almost utterly devoid of trees.

Sending drones to the area, The Star found earthworks and granite-quarrying activities taking place in the hoarded up land.

A senior state government official said he had not seen any plans.

He said he found out something was amiss in February when the developer’s representatives sent a letter to the SJK(C) Eok Hua board offering to relocate the school.

“They wanted to take over the school’s land,” said the official, adding that the school was adjacent to the land and along the access road.

Eok Hua is a small Chinese primary school with less than 200 students.

“What we didn’t know was that the forest on their land was cleared. It is a former quarry so the forest was not dense, but they still need a permit for any kind of land clearing,” the official said.

Meanwhile, the Penang Citizens Awareness Chant Group has called for several local activists to be included in the state Hill Land Working Committee.

In a statement, the local non-governmental organisation proposed that activists Dr Lim Mah Hui, Rebecca Ducket, Loh-Lim Lin Lee and Khoo Salma Nasution be in*clu*ded to a committee recently set up to investigate illegal hill clearing.

The committee is made up of the state’s district officers, senior officials of the two local authorities, directors of the state Land and Mines Office, and Town and Country Plan*ning Departments and other officers.

“The Penang Island City Council informed us that drones were going to be used to police the hills. Job well done. The Star did a better job,” the statement added.

[David Jamieson]

If a master dies and he leaves no heir, many will rush in anyway and make their claim.

Such is the folly of humans.

Be happy with your progress, be happy with learning by doing what you were taught.

What else is there?

[MarathonTmatt]

Given the scope of the project, this must be official, yes?

Hello,

Given the scope of the project the implications are huge. All land clearing should be okay'd with the Malaysian Govt. otherwise it is not cool.
Some other things I have wondered about, considering that Malaysia is a very old and "interesting" land:

It would be interesting to find out how old those quarries have been in use. Were people using those quarries in just the past 100 years, or the past 500 or even 5,000 years?

Also, the hills. The hills should be surveyed to find out if they are natural hills, or maybe perhaps earth-worked pyramidal mounds. If the hills are bedrock, and therefore natural, are there stone complexes/ terracing in the hills? There could be an as of yet unidentified Malaysian Cultural Heritage site at this place.