OT Attn: Eulerfan

[red5angel]

I heard you were into physics? By your screen name maybe mathematics as well?

If so how is your understanding of particle physics and may I ask you a couple of questions on a concept I am having?

[eulerfan]

I am in math. I tutor physics. Trigonometry based Newtonian Mechanics. I have taken one class in Modern Physics. That had a few chapters on quantum mechanics. So, you know, I've solved the particle in the box and banged my head up against the Schrodinger equation. But I wouldn't call myself well versed.

Tell me what you're wondering about and I can think out loud. But it's going to be the musings of a mathematician.

[FatherDog]

Somewhere, on a forum devoted to high level physics, someone is asking someone else how to throw a proper sidekick.

[red5angel]

LOL@ Fatherdog, sorry, this came up on a thread here yesterday and I am reading a book currently that has me pondering.

Here is my problem, while all the numbers and the math is great and all, I am trying to figure out just how atoms share electrons. I understand the theory behind it and I understand the math I think, but whta I dont get is how the electrons are actually interacting with each other. Does the shared electron choose to orbit Both nuclei similar to the P electron shell on an atom, a sort of barbell shape with each nuclei at one end? Is it more of a conceptual thing, meaning that the electrons are bonded but the electron doesn't necessarily go between the shells?
My other question would be, if atoms form Molecules, is the idea of a "molecule" just a conceptual one as well? Obviously molecules are bundles of atoms but if you have ever seen "pictures" of atoms you see the nucleonic waves and you see dimples where there are missing atoms, but where did the molecules go?! The pictures I have seen are all of certain materials and I have never seen it stated that it is a picture of a molecule
Am I making any sense here?

[Serpent]

You need to get out more.

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by red5angel
LOL@ Fatherdog, sorry, this came up on a thread here yesterday and I am reading a book currently that has me pondering.

Here is my problem, while all the numbers and the math is great and all, I am trying to figure out just how atoms share electrons. I understand the theory behind it and I understand the math I think, but whta I dont get is how the electrons are actually interacting with each other. Does the shared electron choose to orbit Both nuclei similar to the P electron shell on an atom, a sort of barbell shape with each nuclei at one end? Is it more of a conceptual thing, meaning that the electrons are bonded but the electron doesn't necessarily go between the shells?
My other question would be, if atoms form Molecules, is the idea of a "molecule" just a conceptual one as well? Obviously molecules are bundles of atoms but if you have ever seen "pictures" of atoms you see the nucleonic waves and you see dimples where there are missing atoms, but where did the molecules go?! The pictures I have seen are all of certain materials and I have never seen it stated that it is a picture of a molecule
Am I making any sense here?

I can't really figure out what you mean by the second question.

Your first question I think I understand. Don't take my word on this. I'm only attempting to answer because I think it will help clarify the question, if that makes sense to you. First, the shapes of the shells are conceptual. I don't think the electrons orbit in those paths. Those paths are spherical horses, as it were. In fact, I think the actual path of the P shell is really complex. They certainly don't stay in a plane. Shells affect each other and are affected by spin allingments of the electrons.

When atoms share electrons, those electrons orbit both nuclei. If the attraction of one nuclei is stronger, the electron will spend more time orbiting that nuclei.

An electron can only orbit a nuclei at a specific energy level. It jumps from one energy level to another, emitting or absorbing a 'quanta' of energy. There's no gradient. They don't even travel in between. They are at one level, then at another. That's what a "shell" is. So, in a covalent bond, it's not really going between shells. It's in both shells at the same time.

Now, I am neither a chemist nor a physicist. This is just what I remember from those classes. I hope this was some modicum of help.

[The Willow Sword]

I havent had sex in a long time cause i spend all my time on my ass at this computer....and now that i found out that there is a woman on the forum i am going to try and score by asking her an off topic question......i tried the same line with Wushuchik but found out real quick that shes not having any.....so now i am going to prey on this screenname and maybe i will SCORE.

[dezhen2001]

good luck, i think u will need it

dawood

[Sharky]

i would answer those quesitons, if i wasn't so stoned

[joedoe]

Isn't the 'shells' model of the atom just a simplification to help explain atomic structure? I thought that it was more like an electron cloud than a series of levels of electrons?

[Sharky]

and i'm sitting here with a half shaven head. i need to shave the rest of the fuzz off my melon. then shower. then bed. i'll reply tomorrow if no one else has

makes a good OT thread though, better than the usual

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by The Willow Sword
I havent had sex in a long time cause i spend all my time on my ass at this computer....and now that i found out that there is a woman on the forum i am going to try and score by asking her an off topic question......i tried the same line with Wushuchik but found out real quick that shes not having any.....so now i am going to prey on this screenname and maybe i will SCORE.

a) He is nowher near me.

b) I like the attention so BACK OFF!

[dezhen2001]

u go

dawood

[The Willow Sword]

CSN jealous, by consorting? Yup just like a woman,,,bein a playa.

[Radhnoti]

Ok...everyone here who has recently (or is it will soon?) travel/travelled to Canada to hang out with a girl they met online please raise your hand?


*Looks at TWS*


Anyone?


*Looks at TWS*



ANYone?