Pak Mei/Wing Chun

[LION]

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[This message has been edited by LION (edited 08-16-2000).]

[MoQ]

"Bak Mei" comes from Cheung Lai-Chuen and is 3 to 1 Lung Ying Dragon system. Ng Mui was the teacher of the creator of "Wing Chun Kuen". She didn't develop it herself. The White Eyebrow monk and Ng Mui perhaps knew one another, but since she is credited with the dragon system in some accounts, they were posthumously "married" in the 40's.
Comparisons of Bak Mei with Fukien Bak Hok, Lung Ying, Jook Lum, Bak Fu Pai, et al make sense, but not so much Wing Chun, ESPECIALLY "modern" WC.

[Highlander]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MoQ:
they were posthumously "married" in the 40's.[/quote]

O.K. I'm having one of my sick moment, but how do they get posthumously married. And please tell me the marriage wasn't posthumously consummated.

But seriously, you made referrence to a difference between Wing Chun and "modern" Wing Chun. What do you see as the difference. And what has changed it?

[MoQ]

Maybe they weren't "married" but they DID have a baby together... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
(if the story about Ng Mui and Lung Ying are true...probably not)

By "modern" I mean changed to suit modern times, adapted(to the way westerners move/like to move even), modified, etc.
Bak Mei is at least built to resemble and/or homage the Ngormei "old style", learned from a mysterious Kwong Wai monk. Kind of reverse modification...which is certainly much more interesting.

[sui-fuw]

moq
do you know any hak-ka history at all?
another idiot!!! Ng Mui is a NUN.Pak mei is a toaist monk.They never got on thru time itself.
anyway thats all, not staying

wing chun has no relation to ng mui the nun.
there is a pak mei practioner on the web that mixes pak mei and wing chun. his pak mei postures are terrible,he should stick to wing chun.

[MoQ]

...I was just, what we call, "kidding" about any carnal union between these two, but since there is a story about Ng Mui founding the Dragon system, I was referring to them being combined in the 40's to create a "baby" CLC's Bak Mei, but if you gotta explain it...*yawn*

Frankly, anyone who thinks they are combining Wing Chun and Bak Mei is an IDIOT in the classic Hakka sense of the word.
BTW, none of these styles are intrinsicly "hakka" so no one need get a big head, or at least be grateful that anyone gives a hoot nowadays...

[CLOUD 1]

Hi MoQ
Are you Hakka by any chance?
I ask this because any thread on the subject YOU rear your UGLY head.What style do you do?
It certainly isn't Pak Mei.
Five yards out five yards in. If you don't understand this then ask a Pak Mei practitioner!!!
Don't talk about things that you have no experience in. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[wisdom mind]

with the insults, lets try to further understanding, rather than degrade persons whom we do not know

[billy_pilgrim]

Wisdom Mind,

You live up to your name [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
I think sometimes people take a little too personally what is being bantered back and forth on this forum, I myself am guilty of this. But insults and threats have no place. This forum should be a give and take type of dynamic, but it appears someone doesn't want to give, only take what they can and insult whom they don't like.

[wisdom mind]

I fly off the handle too sometimez, but im workin on spreading understanding over arguing over typed words...

flames are for hand rolled cigarz and for babylon men

[MoQ]

fierce tiger- registered 9/18, no info
sui-fuw- registered 9/18, no info
CLOUD 1- registered 9/14, no info

This is such a strange coincidence... obviously, y'all are from the same place, practicing your "real Pak Mei"... The problem is, it just seems to make you rude and arrogant, cuz you haven't been anything else.

Sadly, someone thinks that Bak Mei is "hakka"...

[wisdom mind]

MoQ

I was thinking the same thing, you know from the other thread that got ill....i would like to know who uses more than one handle, i did and stopped, but i made it clear that i was the same as the different handle...

fierce tiger did state earlier that he is a single user, i would like to believe this in an effort to further understanding over bs....

whattabout mr cloud...who you be? what ya study? what do you like about martial arts training?

sui-fuw what about you...what does your handle connotate to you personally, or does it...what do you practice? what are you interests?

for example: I enjoy innovating breakdancing with martial arts and producing electronic musicians

dont bogart

[This message was edited by wisdom mind on 09-29-00 at 11:54 AM.]

moq- i'll stop teasing you!!
i like winding you up because you react so well. but you have to stop being rude to others and you dont know it all. try reading instead of judging peoples coments and ideas.

yes i am a single user...i do not use other names and i dont know who the others are. beleive it or not.


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[bigbear]

Lighten up man,
you still haven't recovered from the other thread about Hakka Pak Mei.

you must lose sleep if it bugs to not know any information about a few of us.

you are not entitled to know anything unless we want you to know

if you think we are the same, think it , but as fierce tiger stated we are only single users with similar opinions and information.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> [/quote]By "modern" I mean changed to suit modern times, adapted(to the way westerners move/like to move even), modified, etc.
Bak Mei is at least built to resemble and/or homage the Ngormei "old style", learned from a mysterious Kwong Wai monk. Kind of reverse modification...which is certainly much more interesting.

you are a piece of work, here you are bagging out a system you know little about. but hey your bak mei, so your the best. BullS!!!

your bak mei is terrible, i have seen some practictioners from the U.S and they don't have the body, postures etc. Your system is westernised pal. so get real! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

Learn not to critisize other systems when yours isn't perfect..