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Would you follow your opponent to the ground?
OK, the situation is, you've caused the opponent to fall or you've knocked him down or thrown him. He is on the ground in a defensive position, shaken up but not seriously hurt. Purely hypothetical situation where the battle is going to continue from this point??
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is this a competition or street fight scenario?
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Hmmm, my ground sucks about as bad as it can,so I might do a kneling sleeper if I'm set up for it as an extension of the take down, but if I'm not already in a situation where I have some sort of control and crush as an extensiosn of the take down itself, i will back out of the situation, and force him to fight me on his feet.
I may also back out just enough so he can't catch me, but stay close enough to charge in and kick him in the ribs, face, or what ever wile he's in that moment of vulnerability during the transition from being on the ground to standing again.
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Depends
Self defense alone, I'd get my ass out of there.
Self defense family, I'd get them running while keeping him in a defensive position on the ground(if possible) using kicks or an improvised weapon. This is stupid but I'm protecting my family.
He has something that is a matter of life or death, I'm following him to the ground hoping he's not a BJJ fighter.
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The crap that many schools do is not the crap I was taught or train in or teach.
Dam nit... it made sense when it was running through my head.
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Depends.
Not all situations allow for you to safely follow or safely not follow the opponent. If my hands are in good position, and the energys are correct, of course you follow.
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Pick up the nearest chair and bash the hell out of him while he's in gaurd.
"We are not the first/
who, with best meaning/
have incurr'd the worst"
King Lear
Haoli
...him to the ground I would have used a similar decision process
as rogue.
yenhoi just made another good point.
If he has buddies around then no.
I also differentiate 'throws' and 'takedown'.
If my goal was only a throw then no, probably not, as
I hopefully had the throw as my final technique to
disengage before scootin' my butt out of there.
I think the decision to follow to the ground should
have been made prior to the technique which sent
him there.
mmmm...not making sense...too many tequila shots
with gin & tonic chasers last night
matt
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Haoli
another good point...attack the nearest weapon with something
harder.
a good ground guard IS hard to get past so remove it first if you
must get past it.
matt
"George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."
"If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"
"Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"
It's simpler than you think.
I could be completely wrong"
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From an overall,logical,easy and military view,no way.
Grounded opponent-inferior position of vulnerability.
Yours-Great position of dominance.
Not that he would not have a change,but changes are yours are good.
Hypothetical.
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If an opponent has 'pulled guard' on you on the ground, then you are in it.
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Haoli
can you elaborate a little more?
do you mean that if they 'pulled guard' that they pulled you
with them??
thanks,
Matt
"George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."
"If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"
"Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"
It's simpler than you think.
I could be completely wrong"
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The guard is a position only used, and effective if performed in very close quarters with your opponent. If your not "in it", then you won't see it.
Those that are the most sucessful are also the biggest failures. The difference between them and the rest of the failures is they keep getting up over and over again, until they finally succeed.
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I don't think I'd ever follow someone to the ground on purpose because
1 - My ground game is just this sid eof nonexistent
2 - The way I see a 'reality' situation, once you're separated enough from your opponent that he's no longer an immediate threat to you, it's time to leave.
All my fight strategy is based on deliberately injuring my opponents. -
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er... I meant that the person on the ground had put their legs in front of them (facing you) and was in a Judo/BJJ esque defence posture.
Anyway, I sand with my beat with weapon answer.
"We are not the first/
who, with best meaning/
have incurr'd the worst"
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