What does Hung Gar training include??

[alexb]

What does traditional hung gar training include? Besides the forms what is emphasized? What kinds of chi-kung and internal force training are in it? Lots of stance training?

[WingLamStudent]

Weapons, very low training stances, tiger claw and crane techniques, low kicking, elbow techniques,2 man sparing sets,……….

Internal training sets are Five Animals and Five Elements and Iron Thread.

Altogether a very complete and powerful external system.

[Je Lei Sifu]

To add to the above, Hung Ga training also incorporates the development of;

Gung Ging (hard Power)

Yao Ging (Soft power)

Bing Ging (whip power)

As well as the training of:

1) sun (spirit)
2) gwat (bone)
3) hay (breath or chi)
4) lik (strenght)
5) jing (essences)

Peace

Je Lei Sifu

[alexb]

What I really wanted to know, was what are the specific exercise you use to train those things? Like what specific techniques do you use to train spirit, bone, chi, strength, and jing. And how do you train the tiger claw and crane's beak?? Doesn't even Taming a Tiger and Tiger/Crane have a little internal force traiing at the begining?
Thanks for the help.
-Alex

[Paul Skrypichayko]

Once you know something about internal training, you can make almost every move internal training.

I've been with my sifu for about 4 years now. In the last 2 or 3 years, we have spent lots of time on training the waist area, and qigong, with many different types of exercises.

For staff training, for example, I only train 2 moves, tan, and dim. Just practice those 5-20 min a day, plus combine it with some internal training and concentration.

[alexb]

Also, what are the principles of Hung gar?

[qy]

Paul,

What does this mean?

"Once you know something about internal training, you can make almost every move internal training."

I am interested in how you change a say punch from external to internal. What do you add? In your Tai Chi training do you also start out external and move internal, or is there more to it? Paul do you have specific Hung Ga chi gungs or special Hung ga chi development exercizes?

[Subitai]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by alexb:
Also, what are the principles of Hung gar?[/quote]

Hi,

Do you mean what might be more than just the usual to good all around Gung Fu precepts?

HG has all the standard expected of any good style or taught by a good Sifu.

A few of the basics to all styles that most would agree on is:
1. Rooting or foundation
2. Openings: finding his and hiding yours
3. Closing the gap
4. Setting a bridge= typical southern move
5. ect.
6. ect.
7. ect.

I think the differences may lie into what each Sifu may stress or to an extent what "Gong" each individual student my personally work on. For example, Iron Forearm, any of the Animal Hands, powerfull kicking or sweeping footwork.
Any special ability specifically worked on may change the out come of a fight or a persons repetoire. For ex. If i'm a 30 yr practicitioner and you only trained 1 yr in Iron Finger. If i don't know that you know this and i make the mistake of just kicking at you, all you have to do it poke/stab my leg. I'd be in alot of pain if not trouble.

That is to say, if you developed your Iron Finger like some of the monks i've seen when i was at Shaolin. To the point where you could poke/stab into wood and break rocks. Ya, I'd say that i would have a healthy respect for not wanting to be Jabbed in the leg or anyplace else for that matter.

That is what is so scary to think of. If we all had Fingers that strong, it would be as if we all had knives or kubotans at the ready. With that kind of technique, i'd take a hit so long as i can land my stab.

Philippino fighting often says "Take a cut give a cut, so long as mine cut is deeper"

Sorry to divert like that. If you were asking what specific drill we use to train each principle? I'm afraid it would take too long to go into detail about the do's and don'ts of training each skill. Most of us have Sifus or a skilled brother of some sort we can refer to for that.

"O"

[alexb]

What I meant by principles is the 'words' that are special to a system. Like float, stick, follow, etc...

[Paul Skrypichayko]

Chum (to sink). Very important.

Fun (to split). Also very important.

Lots more, but those were the first two that came to mind.

>>
What does this mean? "Once you know something about internal training, you can make almost every move internal training."
<<

Just something to think about. =)

>>In your Tai Chi training do you also start out external and move internal, or is there more to it?<<

Yes

>>Paul do you have specific Hung Ga chi gungs or special Hung ga chi development exercizes?<<

No, I think they are pretty universal in Chinese martial arts, so long as you're a good student, and you have a good sifu. Certain sifus, certain styles, and certain students will all favour certain training methods. So learn what you can and what is best for you.

[qy]

Paul are you certain? hehe

I feel some of your responses are vague.

So "yes" to which on the Tai Chi question?

Also, to clarify Hung Gar does the same chi development as most other Southern styles? Nothing unique to your lineage that would be interesting?


[This message has been edited by qy (edited 08-30-2000).]

[illusionfist]

I can hear MoQ's sinister laugh right now....

Peace [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[Paul Skrypichayko]

QY, my answer was YES, there is something more to it.

>Also, to clarify Hung Gar does the same chi development as most other Southern styles? Nothing unique to your lineage that would be interesting?<

It depends on what you find interesting. It also depends on what all the other southern styles are training. Maybe what you've seen and what I've seen are totally different things.

[illusionfist]

I would say that hung gar does have it's own unique method.....IRON WIRE!!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[qy]

Thanks Paul for clearing all that up!!

[This message has been edited by qy (edited 08-31-2000).]