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    source?

    Where did you hear about the Vol. 3 stuff? From what I was told, when Quentin made the statements that he would eventually make a Vol. 3 where Nikki, Vernita Green's daughter, would get revenge on the Bride, he was actually just "messing" with the press, as he has been known to do in the past, and that he wasn't actually serious. That is what most Tarrantino fans have said ... that he was deliberately trying to mislead the paparazzi in a mischevious kind of way.

    When you think about it, this movie could go on forever, because Bill and the Bride's daughter could then take revenge on Nikki, etc., etc. Personally, I think a Vol. 3 would be redundant.

    P.S. Which of Bill/The Bride's mentors did you like better?
    I would guess from both of our avatars that the answer is obvious, although I have to admit that Sonny Chiba stole the show in Vol. 1.
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    I read an article about it, but I guess he could have been joking. At any rate, as far as I know, he still plans to release an uncut version.

    What is your avatar from? That's not Bak Mei from Kill Bill, Executioners from Shaolin, or Fists of the White Lotus.
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    I like Gordon Liu's role as (bak)Pak Mei the white eyebrow master

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    Actually, my avatar is Gordon from Kill Bill.

    I got it from some photos they took in production -- I have about 3 more I considered using, but I wanted to get one where he was stroking his beard

    It's too bad Lo Lieh couldn't have been Pai Mei in Kill Bill, but who better to fill in than Gordon? Brilliant casting move by Quentin ...
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    I feel that a volume III is unecissary. It had a solid ending in vol. II and it should be left alone IMO. As for a box set or whatever, Im waitin for that to come out before i buy it
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    Knowing Quentin like I do, I'd wager that Vol. III will be "The Feet of Kill Bill."
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    Kill Bills

    I saw this promo on TV last night. It's for Twin Pine Casino & Hotel in Middleton CA. It made me chuckle (y'all know my penchant for sword hotties). What I like best about the image (which will surely be taken down in a month) is the horrid photoshop on the sword grip.

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    And I'm posting this one because of Kill Bill

    'KILL BILL' STAR UMA THURMAN DECLARES #METOO, SAYS WEINSTEIN DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE A BULLET
    BY TUFAYEL AHMED ON 11/24/17 AT 6:32 AM

    Uma Thurman is going full Kill Bill on Harvey Weinstein.

    The actor shared a powerful message on Thanksgiving Thursday, revealing that she, too, has been a victim of sexual harassment and called out Hollywood producer Weinstein, who was one of the people behind her hit film Pulp Fiction and the Kill Bill movies.

    Thurman shared a screenshot of her vengeful Kill Bill character The Bride and captioned it: “I am grateful today, to be alive, for all those I love, and for all those who have the courage to stand up for others.

    “I said I was angry recently, and I have a few reasons, #metoo, in case you couldn’t tell by the look on my face.”

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    H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G

    I am grateful today, to be alive, for all those I love, and for all those who have the courage to stand up for others.
    I said I was angry recently, and I have a few reasons, #metoo, in case you couldn’t tell by the look on my face.
    I feel it’s important to take your time, be fair, be exact, so... Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! (Except you Harvey, and all your wicked conspirators - I’m glad it’s going slowly - you don’t deserve a bullet) -stay tuned
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    The #MeToo hashtag has been used by victims of sexual harassment on Twitter in the last several weeks to speak openly about their experiences and call for the accountability of alleged culprits.

    The actor, 47, hinted that a more detailed disclosure was to come, concluding her message with a particularly withering remark to Weinstein. “I feel it’s important to take your time, be fair, be exact, so... Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! (Except you Harvey, and all your wicked conspirators - I’m glad it’s going slowly - you don’t deserve a bullet.)"

    "Stay tuned,” Thurman added.

    The actor has most recently responded to the dozens of rape and sexual assault accusations against Weinstein in a brisk red carpet interview ahead of the premiere of her Broadway play, The Parisian Woman, in mid-October. A seething Thurman told Access Hollywood she has been “waiting to feel less angry” before coming forward with her own story about sexual harassment.



    Among Weinstein's nearly 90 accusers are actors Rose McGowan, Gwyneth Paltrow and Angelina Jolie. Paltrow liked Thurman’s post Thursday and commented with a fist bump emoji. It’s not clear if Thurman is implying that she, too, was the victim of sexual abuse by the producer. Representatives for the actor did not immediately return Newsweek’s request for comment.

    Weinstein was instrumental in some of Thurman’s biggest movie collaborations with Quentin Tarantino. The producer distributed Tarantino’s first directorial effort, Reservoir Dogs, and later Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill.


    Uma Thurman speaks onstage during the 2017 Tony Awards at Radio City Music Hall in New York, June 11, 2017.
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    After numerous women came forward with allegations of abuse by Weinstein in October, Tarantino admitted that he “knew enough to do more than I did.”

    Tarantino told The New York Times he was aware that Weinstein had inappropriately touched his then-girlfriend, the actor Mira Sorvino, in 1995, a story she recounted to The New Yorker in October.

    However, the filmmaker said he had heard other stories about Weinstein’s alleged predatory behavior but did not consider them too seriously. “I chalked it up to a ’50s-’60s era image of a boss chasing a secretary around the desk. As if that’s O.K. That’s the egg on my face right now."
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    Uma

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    This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry
    The actress is finally ready to talk about Harvey Weinstein.
    Maureen Dowd FEB. 3, 2018



    Yes, Uma Thurman is mad.

    She has been raped. She has been sexually assaulted. She has been mangled in hot steel. She has been betrayed and gaslighted by those she trusted.

    And we’re not talking about her role as the blood-spattered bride in “Kill Bill.” We’re talking about a world that is just as cutthroat, amoral, vindictive and misogynistic as any Quentin Tarantino hellscape.

    We’re talking about Hollywood, where even an avenging angel has a hard time getting respect, much less bloody satisfaction.

    Playing foxy Mia Wallace in 1994’s “Pulp Fiction” and ferocious Beatrix Kiddo in “Kill Bill,” Volumes 1 (2003) and 2 (2004), Thurman was the lissome goddess in the creation myth of Harvey Weinstein and Quentin Tarantino. The Miramax troika was the ultimate in indie cool. A spellbound Tarantino often described his auteur-muse relationship with Thurman — who helped him conceive the idea of the bloody bride — as an Alfred Hitchcock-Ingrid Bergman legend. (With a foot fetish thrown in.) But beneath the glistening Oscar gold, there was a dark undercurrent that twisted the triangle.

    “Pulp Fiction” made Weinstein rich and respected, and Thurman says he introduced her to President Barack Obama at a fund-raiser as the reason he had his house.

    “The complicated feeling I have about Harvey is how bad I feel about all the women that were attacked after I was,” she told me one recent night, looking anguished in her elegant apartment in River House on Manhattan’s East Side, as she vaped tobacco, sipped white wine and fed empty pizza boxes into the fireplace.

    “I am one of the reasons that a young girl would walk into his room alone, the way I did. Quentin used Harvey as the executive producer of ‘Kill Bill,’ a movie that symbolizes female empowerment. And all these lambs walked into slaughter because they were convinced nobody rises to such a position who would do something illegal to you, but they do.”

    Thurman stresses that Creative Artists Agency, her former agency, was connected to Weinstein’s predatory behavior. It has since issued a public apology. “I stand as both a person who was subjected to it and a person who was then also part of the cloud cover, so that’s a super weird split to have,” she says.

    She talks mordantly about “the power from ‘Pulp,’” and reminds me that it’s in the Library of Congress, part of the American narrative.


    Uma Thurman as Mia Wallace in Quentin Tarantino’s 1994 film, “Pulp Fiction.” Harvey Weinstein was an executive producer. Credit Miramax Films

    When asked about the scandal on the red carpet at the October premiere for her Broadway play, “The Parisian Woman,” an intrigue about a glamorous woman in President Trump’s Washington written by “House of Cards” creator Beau Willimon, she looked steely and said she was waiting to feel less angry before she talked about it.

    “I used the word ‘anger’ but I was more worried about crying, to tell you the truth,” she says now. “I was not a groundbreaker on a story I knew to be true. So what you really saw was a person buying time.”

    By Thanksgiving, Thurman had begun to unsheathe her Hattori Hanzo, Instagramming a screen shot of her “roaring rampage of revenge” monologue and wishing everyone a happy holiday, “(Except you Harvey, and all your wicked conspirators — I’m glad it’s going slowly — you don’t deserve a bullet) — stay tuned.”

    Stretching out her lanky frame on a brown velvet couch in front of the fire, Thurman tells her story, with occasional interruptions from her 5-year-old daughter with her ex, financier Arpad Busson. Luna is in her pj’s, munching on a raw cucumber. Her two older kids with Ethan Hawke, Maya, an actress, and Levon, a high school student, also drop by.

    In interviews over the years, Thurman has offered a Zen outlook — even when talking about her painful breakup from Hawke. (She had a brief first marriage to Gary Oldman.) Her hall features a large golden Buddha from her parents in Woodstock; her father, Robert Thurman, is a Buddhist professor of Indo-Tibetan studies at Columbia who thinks Uma is a reincarnated goddess.

    But beneath that reserve and golden aura, she has learned to be a street fighter.

    She says when she was 16, living in a studio apartment in Manhattan and starting her movie career, she went to a club one winter night and met an actor, nearly 20 years older, who coerced her afterward when they went to his Greenwich Village brownstone for a nightcap.

    “I was ultimately compliant,” she remembers. “I tried to say no, I cried, I did everything I could do. He told me the door was locked but I never ran over and tried the knob. When I got home, I remember I stood in front of the mirror and I looked at my hands and I was so mad at them for not being bloody or bruised. Something like that tunes the dial one way or another, right? You become more compliant or less compliant, and I think I became less compliant.”

    Thurman got to know Weinstein and his first wife, Eve, in the afterglow of “Pulp Fiction.” “I knew him pretty well before he attacked me,” she said. “He used to spend hours talking to me about material and complimenting my mind and validating me. It possibly made me overlook warning signs. This was my champion. I was never any kind of studio darling. He had a chokehold on the type of films and directors that were right for me.”

    Things soon went off-kilter in a meeting in his Paris hotel room. “It went right over my head,” she says. They were arguing about a script when the bathrobe came out.

    “I didn’t feel threatened,” she recalls. “I thought he was being super idiosyncratic, like this was your kooky, eccentric uncle.”

    He told her to follow him down a hall — there were always, she says, “vestibules within corridors within chambers” — so they could keep talking. “Then I followed him through a door and it was a steam room. And I was standing there in my full black leather outfit — boots, pants, jacket. And it was so hot and I said, ‘This is ridiculous, what are you doing?’ And he was getting very flustered and mad and he jumped up and ran out.”

    The first “attack,” she says, came not long after in Weinstein’s suite at the Savoy Hotel in London. “It was such a bat to the head. He pushed me down. He tried to shove himself on me. He tried to expose himself. He did all kinds of unpleasant things. But he didn’t actually put his back into it and force me. You’re like an animal wriggling away, like a lizard. I was doing anything I could to get the train back on the track. My track. Not his track.”

    She was staying in Fulham with her friend, Ilona Herman, Robert De Niro’s longtime makeup artist, who later worked with Thurman on “Kill Bill.”

    “The next day to her house arrived a 26-inch-wide vulgar bunch of roses,” Thurman says. “They were yellow. And I opened the note like it was a soiled diaper and it just said, ‘You have great instincts.’” Then, she says, Weinstein’s assistants started calling again to talk about projects.

    She thought she could confront him and clear it up, but she took Herman with her and asked Weinstein to meet her in the Savoy bar. The assistants had their own special choreography to lure actresses into the spider’s web and they pressured Thurman, putting Weinstein on the phone to again say it was a misunderstanding and “we have so many projects together.” Finally she agreed to go upstairs, while Herman waited on a settee outside the elevators.

    Once the assistants vanished, Thurman says, she warned Weinstein, “If you do what you did to me to other people you will lose your career, your reputation and your family, I promise you.” Her memory of the incident abruptly stops there.
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    Through a representative, Weinstein, who is in therapy in Arizona, agreed that “she very well could have said this.”

    Downstairs, Herman was getting nervous. “It seemed to take forever,” the friend told me. Finally, the elevator doors opened and Thurman walked out. “She was very disheveled and so upset and had this blank look,” Herman recalled. “Her eyes were crazy and she was totally out of control. I shoveled her into the taxi and we went home to my house. She was really shaking.” Herman said that when the actress was able to talk again, she revealed that Weinstein had threatened to derail her career.

    Through a spokesperson, Weinstein denied ever threatening her prospects and said that he thought she was “a brilliant actress.” He acknowledged her account of the episodes but said that up until the Paris steam room, they had had “a flirtatious and fun working relationship.”

    “Mr. Weinstein acknowledges making a pass at Ms. Thurman in England after misreading her signals in Paris,” the statement said. “He immediately apologized.”

    Thurman says that, even though she was in the middle of a run of Miramax projects, she privately regarded Weinstein as an enemy after that. One top Hollywood executive who knew them both said the work relationship continued but that basically, “She didn’t give him the time of day.”

    Thurman says that she could tolerate the mogul in supervised environments and that she assumed she had “aged out of the window of his assault range.”

    She attended the party he had in SoHo in September for Tarantino’s engagement to Daniella Pick, an Israeli singer. In response to queries about Thurman’s revelations, Weinstein sent along six pictures of chummy photos of the two of them at premieres and parties over the years.

    And that brings us to “the Quentin of it all,” as Thurman calls it. The animosity between Weinstein and Thurman infected her creative partnership with Tarantino.

    Married to Hawke and with a baby daughter and a son on the way, Thurman went to the Cannes Film Festival in 2001. She says Tarantino noticed after a dinner that she was skittish around Weinstein, which was a problem, since they were all about to make “Kill Bill.” She says she reminded Tarantino that she had already told him about the Savoy incident, but “he probably dismissed it like ‘Oh, poor Harvey, trying to get girls he can’t have,’ whatever he told himself, who knows?” But she reminded him again and “the penny dropped for him. He confronted Harvey.”

    Later, by the pool under the Cypress trees at the luxurious Hotel du Cap, Thurman recalls, Weinstein said he was hurt and surprised by her accusations. She then firmly reiterated what happened in London. “At some point, his eyes changed and he went from aggressive to ashamed,” she says, and he offered her an apology with many of the sentiments he would trot out about 16 years later when the walls caved in.

    “I just walked away stunned, like ‘O.K., well there’s my half-assed apology,’” Thurman says.

    Weinstein confirmed Friday that he apologized, an unusual admission from him, which spurred Thurman to wryly note, “His therapy must be working.”

    Since the revelations about Weinstein became public last fall, Thurman has been reliving her encounters with him — and a gruesome episode on location for “Kill Bill” in Mexico made her feel as blindsided as the bride and as determined to get her due, no matter how long it took.

    With four days left, after nine months of shooting the sadistic saga, Thurman was asked to do something that made her draw the line.

    In the famous scene where she’s driving the blue convertible to kill Bill — the same one she put on Instagram on Thanksgiving — she was asked to do the driving herself.

    But she had been led to believe by a teamster, she says, that the car, which had been reconfigured from a stick shift to an automatic, might not be working that well.

    She says she insisted that she didn’t feel comfortable operating the car and would prefer a stunt person to do it. Producers say they do not recall her objecting.

    “Quentin came in my trailer and didn’t like to hear no, like any director,” she says. “He was furious because I’d cost them a lot of time. But I was scared. He said: ‘I promise you the car is fine. It’s a straight piece of road.’” He persuaded her to do it, and instructed: “ ‘Hit 40 miles per hour or your hair won’t blow the right way and I’ll make you do it again.’ But that was a deathbox that I was in. The seat wasn’t screwed down properly. It was a sand road and it was not a straight road.” (Tarantino did not respond to requests for comment.)

    Thurman then shows me the footage that she says has taken her 15 years to get. “Solving my own Nancy Drew mystery,” she says.

    It’s from the point of view of a camera mounted to the back of the Karmann Ghia. It’s frightening to watch Thurman wrestle with the car, as it drifts off the road and smashes into a palm tree, her contorted torso heaving helplessly until crew members appear in the frame to pull her out of the wreckage. Tarantino leans in and Thurman flashes a relieved smile when she realizes that she can briefly stand.

    “The steering wheel was at my belly and my legs were jammed under me,” she says. “I felt this searing pain and thought, ‘Oh my God, I’m never going to walk again,’” she says. “When I came back from the hospital in a neck brace with my knees damaged and a large massive egg on my head and a concussion, I wanted to see the car and I was very upset. Quentin and I had an enormous fight, and I accused him of trying to kill me. And he was very angry at that, I guess understandably, because he didn’t feel he had tried to kill me.”

    Even though their marriage was spiraling apart, Hawke immediately left the Abbey of Gethsemani in Kentucky to fly to his wife’s side.

    “I approached Quentin in very serious terms and told him that he had let Uma down as a director and as a friend,” he told me. He said he told Tarantino, “Hey, man, she is a great actress, not a stunt driver, and you know that.” Hawke added that the director “was very upset with himself and asked for my forgiveness.”

    Two weeks after the crash, after trying to see the car and footage of the incident, she had her lawyer send a letter to Miramax, summarizing the event and reserving the right to sue.

    Miramax offered to show her the footage if she signed a document “releasing them of any consequences of my future pain and suffering,” she says. She didn’t.

    Thurman says her mind meld with Tarantino was rattled. “We were in a terrible fight for years,” she explains. “We had to then go through promoting the movies. It was all very thin ice. We had a fateful fight at Soho House in New York in 2004 and we were shouting at each other because he wouldn’t let me see the footage and he told me that was what they had all decided.”

    Now, so many years after the accident, inspired by the reckoning on violence against women, reliving her own “dehumanization to the point of death” in Mexico, and furious that there have not been more legal repercussions against Weinstein, Thurman says she handed over the result of her own excavations to the police and ramped up the pressure to cajole the crash footage out of Tarantino.

    “Quentin finally atoned by giving it to me after 15 years, right?” she says. “Not that it matters now, with my permanently damaged neck and my screwed-up knees.”

    (Tarantino aficionados spy an echo of Thurman’s crash in his 2007 movie, “Death Proof,” produced by Weinstein and starring Thurman’s stunt double, Zoë Bell. Young women, including a blond Rose McGowan, die in myriad ways, including by slamming into a windshield.)

    As she sits by the fire on a second night when we talk until 3 a.m., tears begin to fall down her cheeks. She brushes them away.

    “When they turned on me after the accident,” she says, “I went from being a creative contributor and performer to being like a broken tool.”

    Thurman says that in “Kill Bill,” Tarantino had done the honors with some of the sadistic flourishes himself, spitting in her face in the scene where Michael Madsen is seen on screen doing it and choking her with a chain in the scene where a teenager named Gogo is on screen doing it.

    “Harvey assaulted me but that didn’t kill me,” she says. “What really got me about the crash was that it was a cheap shot. I had been through so many rings of fire by that point. I had really always felt a connection to the greater good in my work with Quentin and most of what I allowed to happen to me and what I participated in was kind of like a horrible mud wrestle with a very angry brother. But at least I had some say, you know?” She says she didn’t feel disempowered by any of it. Until the crash.

    “Personally, it has taken me 47 years to stop calling people who are mean to you ‘in love’ with you. It took a long time because I think that as little girls we are conditioned to believe that cruelty and love somehow have a connection and that is like the sort of era that we need to evolve out of.”
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    That's it, then; no Kill Bill Vol.3.

    Seriously, though, if it happened like Uma says, shame on Tarantino. He absolutely should have had Uma's stunt double, Zoe Bell, drive the car. Better yet, he should have listened to those who had said the car wasn't safe and gotten another car for Zoe to drive. From that footage, there was no reason whatsoever that Uma had to drive it. The entire shot showed her from behind.

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    Tarantino's response

    Some say this redeems him.

    Quentin Tarantino Breaks Silence on Uma Thurman Crash
    7:26 PM PST 2/5/2018 by Patrick Shanley


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    The director addressed the controversy surrounding him following a recent New York Times report.
    Quentin Tarantino drew criticism over the weekend following a New York Times article in which Kill Bill star Uma Thurman shared a story of a car crash and subsequent injuries she suffered while filming the 2003 action movie. Thurman claims that the accident resulted in a concussion and damaged knees.

    The footage of the crash, which Tarantino provided to Thurman, shows the actress crashing into a palm tree. In a recent interview with Deadline, Tarantino said he knew the Times story was coming and was contacted by both Thurman and Maureen Dowd, the author of the Times piece. "I knew that the piece was happening. Uma and I had talked about it, for a long period of time, deciding how she was going to do it. She wanted clarity on what happened in that car crash, after all these years," Tarantino said.

    The director went on to say that he never met up with Dowd and "ended up taking the hit and taking the heat" when the article published. "I figured that eventually it would be used whenever [Thurman] had her big piece," Tarantino said of the footage. "Also, there was an element of closure. She had been denied it, from Harvey Weinstein, being able to even see the footage."

    Tarantino recalled the day of the scene, saying that he "none of us ever considered it a stunt. It was just driving." Thurman, however, said she voiced trepidations to Tarantino about operating the vehicle on a sandy road. "I’m sure I wasn’t in a rage and I wasn’t livid. I didn’t go barging into Uma’s trailer, screaming at her to get into the car," the director said.

    The issue, he said, happened when they decided to film the scene of Thurman driving in the opposite direction than they had tested and an unforeseen "mini S-curve" caused the crash. "I thought, a straight road is a straight road and I didn’t think I needed to run the road again to make sure there wasn’t any difference, going in the opposite direction," he said. "That is one of the biggest regrets of my life. As a director, you learn things and sometimes you learn them through horrendous mistakes. That was one of my most horrendous mistakes, that I didn’t take the time to run the road, one more time, just to see what I would see."

    The crash affected their relationship, said Tarantino: "It affected me and Uma for the next two to three years. It wasn’t like we didn’t talk. But a trust was broken." He added, however, that they "weren’t estranged," though he said it took a few years for the “Quentin and Uma” double act to return to what it was before. Tarantino also added that if they were as estranged as had been reported, he would not have helped her with the Times story.

    On the subject of Harvey Weinstein, who was a frequent producer of Tarantino's films (including Kill Bill) and who Thurman claims sexually assaulted her, Tarantino said he was "absolutely being her accomplice" when the actress told the Times of her assault.

    Tarantino, who has said that he wished he had taken responsibility upon hearing of Weinstein's actions in the past — in particular, his sexual harassment of Tarantino's ex-girlfriend Mira Sorvino in the 1990s — addressed Thurman's claims, saying, "While we were getting ready to do Kill Bill, Uma tells me that [Weinstein] had done the same thing to her [as he had to Sorvino]." He said that's when he "realized there was a pattern, in Harvey’s luring and pushing attacks. So I made Harvey apologize to Uma." Tarantino then said he gave Weinstein an ultimatum: Apologize or he wouldn't do the film. The director said he wasn't present for the apology.

    When asked about particular scenes in the film where Thurman was spit on and choked with a chain, Tarantino responded to controversies around himself personally performing the actions off-camera. In regards to the spitting scene, Tarantino said he didn't trust star Michael Madsen to perform the take, so the director did it himself. "Who else should do it? A grip?" he said.

    In the scene where Thurman is choked by a chain, the director said it was the actress' suggestion to actually be seen in the scene, choking. "I was assuming that when we did it, we would have maybe a pole behind Uma that the chain would be wrapped around so it wouldn’t be seen by the camera, at least for the wide shot," said Tarantino, adding that their stunt man monitored the scene. "But then it was Uma’s suggestion. To just wrap the thing around her neck, and choke her." The filmmaker confirmed he was the one on the "other end of the chain" in the scene and that they "pulled it off."

    Tarantino compared the experience to when he stepped in to film the scene where Diane Kruger is strangled in Inglourious Basterds. In both instances, he said he asked his female stars for their permission to commit to the scene, and that they agreed.

    "[Diane] even said on film in an interview, it was a strange request but by that point I trusted Quentin so much that, sure," he said. "We did our two times, and then like Uma with the spitting thing, Diane said, okay, if you need to do it once more, you can. That was an issue of me asking the actress, can we do this to get a realistic effect. And she agreed with it, she knew it would look good and she trusted me to do it. I would ask a guy the same thing. In fact, I would probably be more insistent with a guy."

    On Tuesday, Kruger waded into the conversation to say that her experience with Tarantino "was pure joy." She wrote in a social post, "He treated me with utter respect and never abused his power or forced me to do anything I wasn't comfortable with." She also said her "heart goes out to Uma and anyone who has ever been the victim of sexual assault and abuse." Adding, "I stand with you."

    In an Instagram post earlier on Monday, Thurman had said Tarantino did the "right thing" by taking responsibility and sharing the footage. She said the "real perpetrators" are Weinstein and fellow producers Lawrence Bender and E. Bennett Walsh. Tarantino said that "Harvey and Lawrence and Ben lawyered up and [they] seemed to keep themselves from being named in the piece," leaving the director "representing everybody."

    Tarantino added that, despite having to shoulder the responsibility, he felt like he'd "been honest here and told the truth, and it feels really good after two days of misrepresentation, to be able to say it out loud. Whatever comes of it, I’ve said my piece. I’ve got big shoulders and I can handle it."
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    More on the crash

    Filming outside U.S. regulations....well, this is tricky as some of the best stunt work in Asia is in complete defiance of safety regulations, but the actors don't do the stunts unless they are stunt people like Jackie.

    Uma Thurman's 'Kill Bill' Crash Sparks Outrage in Stunt Community
    6:30 AM PST 2/8/2018 by Jonathan Handel


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    Uma Thurman

    "That could have been a death by decapitation," a veteran Hollywood stunt performer said of the violent crash sequence filmed in 2003 that left Thurman suffering a concussion and damaged knees.

    How did actress Uma Thurman end up crashing into a tree at perhaps 40 miles per hour for the sake of a Quentin Tarantino movie?

    Stunt professionals are starting to ask tough questions in the wake of the New York Times article in which Thurman revealed chilling footage of her violent crash while filming an iconic sequence in Mexico for 2004's Kill Bill Vol. 2. And Thurman's guild isn't happy either.

    "The situation as it has been described sounds like a stunt and would be a likely safety violation," says a spokesperson for performers' union SAG-AFTRA, of which Thurman is a member. "In general, only stunt professionals should perform stunts with guidance from a stunt coordinator to ensure a correct and safe performance."

    SAG-AFTRA doesn't have personnel to monitor on-set action around the country, let alone the world, and relies on actors to call its safety hotline at 844-SaferSet if they feel uneasy. In this case, Thurman apparently didn't alert the union. (Whether SAG-AFTRA will now investigate what happened seems unlikely given the passage of time and the lack of a complaint filed. The union didn't respond to a follow-up question.)

    Thurman told the Times she didn't feel comfortable operating the car — which she described as a "deathbox" — and asked for a stunt driver to navigate the sandy road, but Tarantino refused in a fury because of the cost. (Tarantino countered: "I'm sure I wasn't in a rage.") In the video, Thurman is flung forward, and her head whips back over the seat, as the vintage convertible had neither shoulder belts nor headrests. Thurman said she suffered a concussion and damaged knees.

    "The stuff that went on is appalling," says veteran stunt performer and coordinator Andy Armstrong. "That could have been a death by decapitation. The car could easily have rolled over [or] the camera could have flown forward. It was irresponsibility on a mega level."

    Responsibility for Thurman's safety on set was shared by the producers, Tarantino and Keith Adams, the film's stunt coordinator. Lawrence Bender, the lead producer on Kill Bill, told THR on Wednesday, "I deeply regret that Uma suffered the pain she has, both physically and emotionally, for all of these years from the accident that occurred on the set of Kill Bill. I never hid anything from Uma or anyone else nor did I participate in any cover-up of any kind— and I never would."

    In addition, THR reported that Bender has said privately he believes there was no wrongdoing on the set and that he had reviewed the 2004 incident with key crewmembers to double check.

    On movies made under Directors Guild of America jurisdiction, the first assistant director also has responsibility for safety. But a source with knowledge of the matter says Kill Bill was not a DGA movie, as it was made before Tarantino joined the guild. Meanwhile, the Producers Guild of America, which sounds like a union but isn't, has no authority over what happens on set. Workplace safety regulators at Cal-OSHA would have had jurisdiction had the accident occurred in California, but it didn't — and so far, it appears, no one filed a complaint or report of the incident with any government agency in California or Mexico.

    Armstrong says stunt coordinator Adams, whose job includes vetoing unsafe action, could have stepped in to prevent Thurman from driving the car, but he wasn't on set at the time. "The stunt coordinator was told to stay in his hotel that day, stay home," says Armstrong, who adds that he knows this because he has spoken to Adams about the matter. Armstrong notes that Adams has particular expertise in automotive stunts. Voice and email messages for Adams were not returned.

    Tarantino has also claimed that the stretch of road was straight when traveled in one direction but had a curve when traversed the opposite way. "I thought a straight road is a straight road, and I didn't think I needed to run the road again to make sure there wasn't any difference going in the opposite direction," he said. But Armstrong says the geometry-defying notion that a curve only existed when traversed in a particular direction is absurd.

    And Melissa Stubbs, another veteran stunt performer and coordinator, notes that even if Thurman agreed to drive the car, it's not her responsibility to say no and make it stick. "That's why you need an experienced stunt coordinator," she says.

    Kim Masters and Chris Gardner contributed reporting.
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    So pointless

    This scandal is really sullying my affection for this film.

    'Kill Bill' Stunt Coordinator Breaks Silence on Uma Thurman Crash (Exclusive)
    6:14 PM PST 2/9/2018 by Jonathan Handel


    Uma Thurman in 'Kill Bill: Vol. 2'

    "At no point was I notified or consulted about Ms. Thurman driving a car on camera that day," says coordinator Keith Adams.
    The stunt coordinator on the Kill Bill movies has broken his silence on a disturbing recent allegation made by Uma Thurman regarding a crash during production that left her injured.

    Coordinator Keith Adams told The Hollywood Reporter that he and his entire department were kept off set the day Thurman was allegedly pressured by director Quentin Tarantino to drive a rattrap convertible down a curved, sandy Mexican road at 40 mph, resulting in a crash that gave her a concussion, damaged her knees and could have caused worse injuries.

    "No stunts of any kind were scheduled for the day of Ms. Thurman's accident," states Adams in an email to THR. "All of the stunt department was put on hold and no one from the stunt department was called to set. At no point was I notified or consulted about Ms. Thurman driving a car on camera that day."

    "Had I been involved," Adams continues, "I would have insisted not only on putting a professional driver behind the wheel but also insuring that the car itself was road-worthy and safe."

    Adams — an experienced coordinator with a particular expertise in automotive work, according to veteran stunt performer and coordinator Andy Armstrong — did not say whether he thought his department was intentionally held at bay to facilitate having an actor perform driving maneuvers. It was not immediately clear who prepared the call sheet that day and who decided to idle the stunt department. Tarantino told Deadline that "none of us ever considered it a stunt. It was just driving."

    "The circumstances of this event were negligent to the point of criminality," said Thurman in an Instagram post Monday. "I do not believe though with malicious intent." (After the crash came a cover-up which "did have malicious intent," she wrote, naming three production executives.)

    It may have been "just driving" to Tarantino, but performers' union SAG-AFTRA said in a statement that it "sounds like a stunt and would be a likely safety violation."

    The new statement from the stunt coordinator underscores Thurman's description of the 1973 Karmann Ghia as a profound hazard. "That was a deathbox," she told Maureen Dowd for a New York Times story published on Feb. 3 that kicked off a round of speculation about the incident. Thurman explained to the writer that "the seat wasn't screwed down properly" and that she'd been told the vintage convertible had been converted from stick shift to automatic.

    The car's allegedly sad shape came as no surprise to Melissa Stubbs, also a veteran stunt performer and coordinator. "A picture car is usually a piece of ****," she told THR bluntly, using industry argot for vehicles that appear onscreen.

    Armstrong agreed, noting that non-stunt picture cars are generally towed on flatbed "process trailers" while being filmed, making it easier to rig lights and cameras and allowing an actor to give the illusion of driving without anyone being endangered. For that reason, Armstrong indicated, production personnel focus on making a picture car look good onscreen, and not necessarily on making it safely drivable.

    In addition, video of the crash indicates that the then-30-year-old ragtop was without roll bars, shoulder belts or head restraints. Thurman's head whips backward and hangs over the low seat back after the crash. It's unclear whether there was a lap belt or whether Thurman was wearing it if there was.

    "That could have been a death by decapitation," veteran coordinator Armstrong said. "The car could easily have rolled over [or] the camera could have flown forward. It was irresponsibility on a mega level."

    Many people share safety duties on set: the producers (lead producer Lawrence Bender apologized Wednesday and also said he "never hid anything"), the director (Thurman has described Tarantino as regretful and remorseful), the 1st assistant director (although this may be less clear in a non-DGA film like Kill Bill) — and, of course, the stunt coordinator.

    "On any set, my number one priority and the priority of any stunt coordinator is the safety of the cast and crew," said Adams. "For a stunt coordinator to do their job properly, they must be involved at every step of the process and given the opportunity to intervene when changes to the shoot are made."

    "Unfortunately," he added, "I did not have that opportunity in this case."
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    To me, there is a very simple question that can be asked on this :

    Had Uma Thurman been killed, during the obvious subsequent investigation and lawsuits, would Tarantino have been found negligent or at fault?

    It sounds like the answer to this is probably yes.

    In that case, it would seem that determination would be enough to say that the stunt should not have been done.

    I KNOW that many will claim stuff about Jackie Chan and his stunts...but that is not US films or directors like Tarantino with untrained - albeit talented actresses like Thurman.

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