So does anyone practice Shaolin Kung Fu

[Black Fist]

This is interesting.

1. So who actually practices Henan Shaolin Kungfu as presented today. Not any of the derivative products but the actual fists of shaolin.

2. If so, what is your curriculum like. Our first set is Xiao Hong Quan followed by Lian Huan Quan and Chao Yang Quan. I am currently learning Jing Gang Quan 4th Set.

Hope to hear from practitioners...say Shi Xing Hong's, Shi Yan Ming's, Shi Guo Lins etc...students.

[HuangKaiVun]

Practicing "Shaolin" kung fu isn't about doing a particular style endemic to Shaolin.

It's about using kung fu as an entry into Buddhism.

Buddhism is about learning about oneself and his relation to the world around him. Kung fu is as good a tool to accomplish that as there is.

As Shi Guo Lin said, doing kung fu without the Buddhist intent is nice, but it's not Shaolin kung fu.

[Black Fist]

I ask a simple question of people sharing similar styles of martial arts and I get a bunch nonsense.
I am sorry let me rephrase " to fellow students of the Songshan Shaolin martial arts " ie those that have Xiao Hong Quan as a formal and essential part of their curriculum.

[HuangKaiVun]

Spoken like a true ignorant, Black Jack.

One cannot appreciate that which he cannot perceive.

[Kung Lek]

Hi-

Blackfist- Sil Lum Kung Fu is made up now of a myriad of styles guided by the same founding principles and many techniques that mirror across many styles that owe their origins to the sil lum temple.

The Shaolin Kung Fu of todays temple at songshan is primarily comtemporary wu shu as developed by the PRC government.
There are sets within the curriculum such as small red fist and big red fist that go back quite some ways but the rest of it is mostly wushu.

Wing Chun Kung Fu IS Sil Lum Kung Fu, Hung Gar is recognized as is Hung Fist, Hung Kuen and et al as the closest system to what was originally taught in the Southern Shaolin Temple.

Choy Li Fut is a conglameration of northern and southern styles of Shaolin Kung Fu.

as well, there are others such as Five animals fist which owes it's origins to the Sil Lum temple and there are many derivative styles and compilation styles.

It is impossible to narrow the scope of Sil Lum Kung fu and say that only what is practiced at Song Shan is the true Shaolin Kung fu. It is NOT. It is the contemporary style that is practiced at Song Shan in the here and now, that is all.

peace

Kung Lek

[HuangKaiVun]

Black JACK, I'm sorry.

I was speaking to Black FIST.

[Shaolin Master]

Bitterness is sweet.

Jing Gang Quan, Kan Jia Quan, Pao Chui Quan, Zhang Hu Xin Yi Men Quan, Qi Xing Quan, Lohan Quan, Tong Bi Quan ..... these are shaolin styles.

BF, Shaolin in spirit empbodies many martial arts. Most onliners are under the assumption that wushu is now shaolin, though not entirely true both are shaolin though one was practised in the temple pre-1928 and post-1928. Though caution should be taken not to differentiate fellow shaolin practitioners

In Hong kong, the shaolin school uses a modified version of Xiao Hong Quan. Shi Yan Ming in the US has added some basic sets prior to Xiao Hong Quan. Though essentially the basics are still the 24 foundation techniques that are required for the Xiao/Da Hong Quan.

Regards

Shi Chan Long

[Sun_Tzu]

What of the animal systems? pre 1928?

[Shaolin Master]

Black Tiger, Palace Leopard, Jade Dragon etc... are all still there except not necessarily known to many though. As in the past only one or two styles were practised with minimal forms each unless it was some very capable monk such as Shi De Gen.

Note Southern Shaolin had a larger array of animal based systems!

Regards

Shi Chan Long

[Gargoyle again]

"True" Shaolin is something that simply doesn't exist, several hundred years of stylistic drift, migration, and variation, ultimately capped by the Cultural Revolution unfortunately have made it impossible for any to claim "true" holders of the definition. I tend to get a little irked at the presumptions coming from some of the re-established schools that have set up shop back at the temple.

On the up side though, we are all certainly children of Shaolin (I come from the 5-animals part of the family) and should look to our common heritage as something to be proud of and respect :)

The post above said it perfectly. Wing Chun is Shaolin, Hung Gar is Shaolin, Bak Mei is Shaolin, and many others

"You should never, never doubt what no one is sure about."
--Willie Wonka

[Kung Lek]

Hi-

actually, White Eyebrow isn't shaolin.

It is a taoist art said to have come from emei shan temple.

The monk bak mei was a traitor to shaolin and betrayed them causing one of the famous burnings of the temple according to the shaolin legend.

that does not mean that bak mei is not a good martial art. it is, it's a very good system of martial art.

peace

Kung Lek

[fiercest tiger]

bak mei and fung dao duk both where training brothers at shilum jee, and travelled to the omei shan. at kwong wai temple they both redeveloped their arts and named their systems.

bak mei=bak mei pai(white eyebrow)

fung dao duk= bak fu pai(white tiger)


;)

peace

bakmeimonk@hotmail.com

[reemul]

I study Northern Shaolin Tiger system (???<---1928), *** NOT THE CONTEMPORARY STUFF THAT IS PRACTICED NOW ***, However as Shaolin does, our system has continued to evolve.

[Black Fist]

Could you tell me more about it. History, lineage, qualities, forms, etc.....it would be nice thanks

[reemul]

Go http://reemul.home.texas.net/eastwind/ It will spare my fingers.

Unlike many schools that cling to "monkdom"or legends, the
5 *individual* animal systems were controlled by five families (actual bloodlines). Before Shaolin existed at honan, there were taoist and Mohist
residing at what became Shaolin temple after Bodhi
Darhma arrived. Darhma bestowed upon both schools, the way of Buddha, and if you know anything about Chen Buddhism it is easy to correlate that it is a combination of Buddhism, Taoism, Mohism, and Confucism(spl?). Our school is linked through the Mohist.

What Bodhi Dahrma brought to the table:

What is important about Dharma is that he brought
a new mindset(not a martial art), a new approach to enlightenment through physical exertion, physical struggle or suffering (buddhism: Life is suffering, the first truth of buddhism). He taught this through the 5 animal frolics a series of movement to fascilitate physical exertion.

About the Mohist:

The Mohist were a retired military class (not that they were old, just that there philosophy had fallen out of favor, and was no longer widely accepted)and as stated earlier were residing at what is now Shaolin temple. Accepting the teachings of Dharma and the belief that enlightenment could be achieved through strengthing of the body and constant struggle, The mohist moved beyond the 5 animal frolics to constructing routines based on there martial background, The birth of Shaolin Kung fu.

Now I know many of you will disagree, for what ever reasons, but this was not posted to spark debate, it was posted to answer Black Fist's inquiry. However These views as with all others regarding Shaolin kungfu's origin and lineages, can neither be proven nor disproven as it is
common knowledge that there is no written record of events that long ago