Because You Demanded It: Find the Application (vol1)

[joedoe]

Could be anything you want it to be

[SevenStar]

for the people who say throw - which throw? I can see it as koshi guruma/neck surround. I can also see it as an o uchi gari and possibly hiza guruma/de ashi barai.

[SevenStar]

I can also see it as a set up for puter kapala

[Braden]

Everything in bagua is a setup for puter kepala.

Elbow-palm combination is just faster.

[Braden]

Er... unless you meant from the inside... I usually default to thinking puter kepala as done from the outside, but I guess most people do the opposite.

I've mostly been talking about using that posture from the outside. Except for the locking app... But that posture can also be used for opening up the guy and taking the inside, sticking/leading/pressing the inside of his arm with your raised/right arm to open him up, while the lower/left palm strikes as you enter, or deals (or is dealt with) by his other hand. Then from this inside position, you could close all the way and do splitting/angling throw like tenchinage. Or you could wrap your upper/right hand around the back of his head to clinch, or do the same and press his arm with your lower/left palm to do a puter kepala from the inside. Or if you're handy with some of the spirally, weighted turns in bagua, you could turn ccw (looking down) on the front/weighted foot, arcing the right/upper palm to do a palm-elbow combination from behind-to-front on the side of his head (eg. mastoid), which you could follow up by "unwinding" the arm and posture (just reversing the movement you just did) but catching his face with your right palm as it unwinds, and sinking your posture to "make him bridge" backwards, with your front/weighted leg and hip nestled against his to take his base, and other arm messing with the posture from an arm control.

Dunno if any of that was follow-able.

[Braden]

BTW, I'm really glad we're getting a good cross-section of folk replying.

Bagua, it seems to me, is simply about extending your arms, moving your body, and having it do something useful and skillfull.

It's a format well suited to a variety of interpretations.

The posture we're commenting on is from a form of Jiang Rong Qiao. Jiang's style is part of the big family of Cheng style baguazhang, the founder of which (Cheng Ting Hua) was a famous and dedicated wrestler. So takedown interpretations of his methods are surely reasonable!

In case anyone is interested, and didn't try to find it allready, the complete page that pic is from is: http://www.thewushucentre.ca/jiangrongqiao.htm

The blacktaoist also has an article on this form at his site: http://www.blacktaoist.com/Original%...0Ba%20Gua.html and uses a version of the fierce tiger posture in one of his applications: http://www.blacktaoist.com/graphics/...ellDonald.html

Yes, I am just plugging some excellent sites on the art.

[FeloniousMonk]

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[SevenStar]

I was talking about puter kapala from the outside. The rest was indeed barely followbale, but probably due to my own tiredness...

[Royal Dragon]

Depending on the entry, the lower hand could also be to controll an elbow. As a striking technique, once thew elbow is controlled, the head is open. If the prctitioner has had sufficient Iron hand/ especially the fingers, it could be a jabbing spear hand into the soft spot just under the jaw joint to stun, followed by a throw forward face first into the concrete (depending on the attackers foot position of course)

[dezhen2001]

thats kinda what i said RD, a wing chun 'pak sau' to control the elbow/arm and a palm or chop to the side of the jaw/neck as you step in

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