Pak Mei Question

[tparkerkfo]

I am aware of the main lineage of Pak Mei comming from Chueng Lai Chun. But I am currious if any one knows anything about different branches of Pak Mei. I have heard there is a different one in Futsan that doesn't go through Cheung Lai Chun. Any comments?

I hope this to be a civil discussion and not defenerate into a political one.

Thanks
Tom
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[fiercest tiger]

shaolin master had a topic called omie bak mei or something like that. It doesnt trace lineage to CLC, futsan bak mei from eddie chong doesnt have CLC in there lineage as well.

hope that helps?

FT

[MAC]

Are these the only two "publicized" lineages ? I'm not familiar with a specific "Omei Bak Mei", though our history originates from Omei Mountain.
I've seen reference regarding other teacher's without mention of specific lineage, but other than that, Chueng Lai Chun and Lau Siu Leung are the only two that are publicized in any fashion that I'm aware of.

[laubei]

i have heard of a 3 pattern eagle claw system wich was ment to have come from the monk bak mei and a ten tiger claw system ?????????????????????????? seen lau siu leung's web site and noticed some of the form names are the same as those of cheung lai chung does any one know Lau Siu Leung's bak mei system that can tell me some about it

[fiercest tiger]

Hi,

Can you get me the address for lau sui leungs webpage?

3 form eagle claw form do you know the chinese name for it?
Eagle claw form was also known as ying jow sup jee kol da, kol sa, kol la.
Thank
FT

[Pakmei]

I believe the Chinese for form 3 is: Lim (or Lin) Kiu Ying Jow Kuen.
Which I believe the translation is something like 'Joining Bridges Eagle Claw Fist', which was taken from the Loong Yin Pai.

This is from Sifu Tang Cho Tak's lineage, who learnt from both Chueng Bing Fat & Grand Master Chueng Lai Chuen.

[MAC]

This is your third form in your Bak Mei system ?

[Ao Qin]

I've never understood where this supposed connection to LY came in - the Dragon Style Eagle Claw form does not even remotely resemble the Bak Mei version, unless there is another Eagle Claw form I'm not aware of in LY.

Both are very nice sets, but the resemblance, in my own mind, just isn't there!

Cheers - Ao Qin

[fiercest tiger]

The ying jow lin kuil form starts the same as the lung ying salute but uses the bak mei salute also has a dragon feel to it. It does or maybe to you isnt resembling to dragon lung ying mor kuil which it was suppose to be invented from......the mor kuil form gave the idea for ying jow lin kuil. The YKM version has many moves that resemble the dragon system in this form!!

hope this helps

FT

pak mei
3 Form egale claw from hawwaii is ying jow lin kuil??

[Lau]

Ao Qin,

The Pak Mei set is called Ying Jow to confuse people of the origin. It supposedly is a dragon form with only a few changes. I don't know the name of the dragon form it resembles. But a good friend from yellowknife also told me it comes from Lung Ying Mor Kiu as FT stated.

Pakmei,

I don't think this set is related to a special lineage. As it comes from Cheung Lai Cheung I think many lineages have this form.

Regards, Lau

[Pakmei]

I never said the form was of a special lineage.

What I meant is that some schools have the same forms but in a slightly different order.

Under my Sifu, this form is the 3rd out of 10 hand forms.

Regards

Dave

[Lau]

Hi Dave,

I misinterpreted your post. If this is your 3rd form than I guess number one is jek bo and number two is sap ji kuen?

Do you also have a two person set with this form? We have one which is linked to this form as I was told.

Regards Lau

[Pakmei]

Hi Lau,

Actually I made a mistake (under a lot of pressure here at work at the moment!). Ying Jow Lin Kuil is our 2nd form...Sorry!

Our forms go in the order of:

1) Jik Bo Kuen.
2) Ying Jow Lin Kuil Kuen.
3) Sup Jee Kuen.
4) Gow Bo Tuew.
5) Saam Lahm (2 man fighting set)
6) Say Mun Ba Gwa Kuen.
7) Saam Mun Choi.
8) Chi San (2 man fighting set)
9) Sup Baa Morr Kuil Kuen.
10) Man Fu Chut Lum.

Regards

Dave

[Lau]

Posting at work??? sounds familiar....

I also learned two two person sets, but I don't know the names.
5) Saam Lahm (2 man fighting set) Is this the set from lung ying where one side has a lot of kicks and the other side none? Is the side with no kicks at one time crouched and does he need to catch the foot of the adversary (who stamps down on him) in his hands?

8) Chi San (2 man fighting set) Is this the set where both sides have to lie on the ground one time and have to do a kick to the knees?

Regards, Lau

Ps, stress IS bad for you! Let me know if you ever get to Amsterdam, we can have yam cha and a beer!

[Pakmei]

Lau,

Saam Lahm (3 cuddles / embraces) is exactly the one you were talking about. The defense side has the most kicks in it definitely. Not quite sure where it came from (Loong Yin, Lee Gar, etc), it doesn't really matter now because it is practised with a Pak Mei principles nowadays.

Chi San (Sticky Body) again you are correct in your description, however this form is more to do with close quarter fighting - which is pretty much a speciality of the Pak Mei system.

Actually this form is absolutely evil, when it is explained and applied properly (under the strict supervision of the Sifu). This form is very easy to get carried away with! Requires a lot of trust from your sparring partner when beginning to practise this form.