OT: Question for US peeps.

[Laughing Cow]

Hi All.

This is about a controversial topic, so lets keep it civil.

Do you need a Firearm licence to buy Bullets in the USA??

The reason for this is that in a recent Newpaper article I read that the Japanese Police attributes the low gun crime rate not so much to regulations of guns but of Bullets.

If you want to buy Bullets you need to show your Gun licence and can ONLY get Bullets for your Gun type.

They also said that most japanese mobsters are lousy with their guns and can't hit anything further than 3 yard away.
It is attributed to the fact that they cannot get bullets for their illegal guns and thus lack practice in using them.

Just curious, what your opinions are about this type of cotnrol.

[Oso]

don't know about everywhere but not in NC.

kinda interesting point.

still...

if you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.

It's not that dang hard to buy anything short of full auto and if
I looked hard enough that probably wouldn't be all that hard.

sh it, look at the casualty rate of a single can of pepper spray.

IT'S NOT THE FRIKKIN WEAPON !!!!

[Royal Dragon]

I have a freind that has an AR-15, and I know where to get him the full auto kit if I wanted one. It's not that expensive.

[Laughing Cow]

Oso.

Firearms in Japan been "illegal" since WW II.
You can get a licence but it is hellish difficult for a rifle, never mind a handgun.

Most Sports shooters are either from the police or Military.
Those Guns are sctrictly controlled and only issued for patrol and collected afterwards. All Bullets need to be accounted for too.

Yes, Japan has illegal Firearms too, the majority of them are modified "non-firing" Guns that are sold there.

Thus it is much easier than lets say in the states to control the roughly 500.000 registered firearms.

Just some info.

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by Royal Dragon
I have a freind that has an AR-15, and I know where to get him the full auto kit if I wanted one. It's not that expensive.

I am talking over the counter legal purchases of Bullets, casings, powder, firing caps, etc.

Not the back-alley, out of the trunk deals.

[Oso]

ok LC, point granted. This has been said before so I can't take
credit for it. But considering that I am at least above average
in my ability to handle myself hth or with handheld, non projectile
weapons; I will gladly live with the removal of all guns from the
planet. That puts me, and most of us here, at an extreme
advantage and I like that idea.

but, as I live in the US I dasn't really care about the gun
control laws of other countries, guns are part of the US
and probably always will be. There are far too many of them
to effectively remove from circulation. Therefore, I feel that the
average citizen must NOT be made to jump through too many
hoops in order to be able to protect themselves from the
criminal who will always have access to them.

[Oso]

IMO, full auto is a waste of ammo and basically good for
suppresive fire mostly.


I will point to the magnificant movie "Cherry 2000'' where
our heroin takes out the helicopter (I think) with single shot
accuracy for proof of this truism.

[Laughing Cow]

Oso.

I am NOT advocating that the USA should do as Japan does.
I couldn't care less how many Guns you guys got sticking out of your clothing.

OTOH, I am worried about your WMD though.


My point is simply that control of the bullets, etc seems to be more effective than control of the Guns.

FWIW, I see the whole pro-gun thingy like the Cold-War nuclear thingy.
I need a bigger gun than the criminal has, which in turn makes him buy a bigger gun, which means I need another bigger gun and the saga continues.

And in the meantime the Gun manufacturer is smiling all the way to the Bank.

Kinda remind me of a Tom & Jerry movie.

Naah, keep your guns, but keep them the hell away from me and my loved ones.

[Xebsball]

I speak for here, dunno on USA.
But if people cant get legal, they get it illegal anyway.
About 110% of the bad guys get it about 200% of their weapons and ammo illegal, so regulating the bullets would make no difference.

[Oso]

This has been said before so I can't take
credit for it. But considering that I am at least above average
in my ability to handle myself hth or with handheld, non projectile
weapons; I will gladly live with the removal of all guns from the
planet. That puts me, and most of us here, at an extreme
advantage and I like that idea.

that's what I think should happen.


BUT, not going to happen in the US.

SO, I want mine.

You are correct and I agree that it is an arms race sort of thing.
But, I don't see myself living anywhere else but here and I'm not
a pacifist so if the proper response is shooting back then I want
to be able to shoot back as effectively as the other guy.
It is a trap of sorts, I agree but I'm not going to give up
advantage.


OTOH, I am worried about your WMD though.

lost me but I'm on my 3rd bourbon/ginger


As far as the manufacturer smiling all the way to the bank...
well, that's the status quo in the good ol' US of A. We'uns
here at the bottom get stuck alls th' time by the big bidness
so nothing new or extraordinary there.

[joedoe]

Is a gun protection against a gun though? Don't get me wrong, I think that guns are a fact of life in the USA, but do you think that having a gun protects you from other guns?

I agree with LC - controlling access to ammo is probably more effective and realistic than trying to control access to guns themselves. And no matter what you do the crims are always going to be able to get hold of both

[Oso]

oh yea,

the whole regulating of the powder etc.

a shotgun round is way simple to make.

It's smoothbore so you don't need to worry about anything
but and explosive compound of some sort (old blackpowder
is easy to make) and some hard pointy bits to put inside it.

crude yes, but people died plenty in the revolutionary and civil
wars from stuff as crude.

[Laughing Cow]

Oso.

Ever refilled your own Bullets??

[joedoe]

Fair point.

[morbicid]

guns dont kill people...bullets moving really fast do