Iron Palm

[ope]

In our School Iron Palm consist of a whole system and not just a drill to strengthen your hands alot of people know it as just a drill.. im thinking the iron palm we do is southern i was wondering if anyone else knows it as a system and not just a drill..

[Ego_Extrodinaire]

what does your system aim to achieve? could you describe what it consist of?

Maximus Materialize!

[Sil Lum Palm]

The "Invinicible Iron Ore Skill" is taught at the school in which I attend. Its kept pretty secretive and only the instructors are allowed to train in its advanced stages, and even then in is done in a seperate part of the school where undeserving eyes cannot grasp it.
I know students treat their hands with mixtures of herbs and such that strengthen their circulation in their hands and limbs, as well as the application of an herb mixture known as Dit Da Jow. Dit Da Jow helps blood circulate and prevents blood clots and bruising.
"Wu Di Tieh Sha Chang Gong", is an ancient Chinese method that has been passed down from generation to generation for centuries. Monks, priests, and martial arts masters have closely guarded the secret of this skill.
The meaning translated, Wu Di means invincible, or matchless. Tieh Sha, means "Iron Ore", or iron. Chang means the palm, and "gong" means skill, ( As well as a few other things but skill will be used here ).
There are two types or methods of the authentic iron palm. One method is called "external- gong"; it uses muscle and brute force to accomplish the feats of strength, such as extreme breaking power.
The other method is called "internal" and uses no external force to accomplish its goals of strength. The internal method is what is offered in our school.
The internal or "nei chia" method is a "soft" gong. It uses the Chi Gung as its base, but also uses Tai Chi Chuan, for soft fist of self-defense and is also used for the promotion of health and prevention of disease.
Our School teachs Southern Sil Lum (Shaolin) , Five Family Fist ( Choy ,Li ,Mok ,Fut, Hung) and the Five Element Fist and Foot as well as other Internal Arts. ( Hsing I(yi) ,Tai Chi Chua , Ba Kua,)
I hope this helps a little , sorry its really secretive

[ope]

i understand about the secreative part we have many ourselfs.. we have herbal formulaes and spacial training for hand strengthing etc.. we also have this but we also have forms for iron palm like in a system.. and there is plenty of spacial breathing in the form as well..

[Sil Lum Palm]

There actually may be a few forms to the practice but I couldnt say for shure , since I very seldom get to witness the training. I'll look into it and see what I can find out. I know the forms mostly teach application and proper positioning for the strikes.

[The Willow Sword]

ha just being a goof,,,,,yes there is a system of iron palm which is mainly geared for one thing. Making the body a crumpled up mass of callous and arthritis. when you get hit you cant feel it cause you have damaged sooo many nerve endings in your body that it just doesnt register to the brain. my school does it as well,and i have to say that i do not like it at all. reason? NO-ONE IS DOING IT LIKE THEYRE SUPPOSED TO. I RECOMMEND THAT ALL OF YOU GETTING INTO OR ARE ALREADY INTO THE IRON PALM TRAINING READ DR YAND JWING MINGS BOOK ON "Marrow/brain washing muscle/tendon changing chi kung" althoug im not a part of his organization i fully support and agree with (given my own background in anatomy and physiology) the methods that Dr Yang outlines for you in that book. READ IT.

[Sil Lum Palm]

Read my post.. there are two types of Traditional Iron Palm Skill.. EXTERNAL ( which you are talking about and which I clearly stated I would not practice because of the scarring of the bones and skin tissue)and INTERNAL , which is taught at my school. The INTERNAL methods take much longer to learn because it is a method of cultivating mass amounts of chi that can be used for healing or harming, which ever the case may be.
My only interest in the Iron Palm technique would of course be the healing aspect , therefore EXTERNAL would be completely uselss to me , since it has no healing properties. Not to mention the fact that you could cause severe damage to your own internal organs by practicing the external method wrong. Many people look past the healing aspects of Martial Arts without realizing that there is more to it than fighting or preparing to fight. Some practitioners of the Martial Arts harbor no thought of fighting evern in their lives , I am one. So naturaly I would agree, if your gonna learn Iron Palm .. do it the right way and don't hurt yourself.

[cagey_vet]

as accomplished and published an author and martial artist as
he is, i personally would not study the shii soei from
the writings. its not presented in a fashion thats
readily consumable and practiceable. pointed out
are merely singular techniques, and they arent
really presented together in a concrete progression
and if someone came to me and said they had achieved
a high level of 'hardening' from the books alone
then i would doubt the accuracy of the claim for
the aforementioned reasons. BUT his books are an
awesome jump point for known philosophies of the
whole energetics issue. simply INDISPOSABLE for
the theoretical content and reference material.

[ope]

Our School Teaches iron palm but it consists of many forms and breathing excersise, we also have herbil recipies for soaking the hand...

[The Willow Sword]

man i am such a dunce, i sometimes write things with the notion that people have enough common sense to understand without me having to go into detail about it....well okay,,,,,,,"make sure that when you are studying any system that you have a qualified and certified teacher to guide you through the process" "where as a book or video can contain valuable reference material it does not replace the hands on group/teacher instruction." :rolleyes:

[cagey_vet]

at least i have the common sense to advise you
not to do what the book shows. theres no
methodology to the presentation, just explanation
of the MANY pieces of the puzzle that make this
whole thing possible

maybe you just lack the common sense to include
your own disclaimer, so hopefully next time you
will :P

[The Willow Sword]

i have a background in physical therapy as well as anatomy and physiology,,i have been for over 15 yrs studying practicing and living the chinese internal systems of martial arts,,,I KNOW the iron palm training. my background in the other skills i have mentioned are have been 8 yrs strong and still going. hte basis for DR YAng's boook is not to FULLY show you the methods,,but the methods are outlined for you to follow in some respects,givin the fact that you are experienced and have the knowlege to do such methods,,,which i do. do you know how and why the medicine works? do you know the contents of the medicine and how to mix them? do you know why you train the fascia first and not start banging away on the post,bag of pebbles etc.? do you understand why you must have first been able to cultivate the chi and be able to regulate it to an extent before you begin with the external methods? did you also know that if you have a lot of fat surrounding your muscles during the ironpalm and iron shirt training that you can seriously damage the fascia which is what the muscles NEED in order to stay healthy? trust me i know what the process is and i knew it before i even opened up Dr Yang's book,,,,he just reinforced what i already knew. i could go on and on but then i would have to charge you for i am a CERTIFIED teacher and dont give it all out for free.

[shaolin_knight]

I thought this topic was about iron palm? Where in Dr. Yang's book does it describe iron palm? It seems that everyone is talking about iron shirt. The sections on Yi jin jing are good though, if you know what you're doing.

[The Willow Sword]

i apologize,,,when i think of iron palm i think of not just the hand training but the whole body,,as in forearms, shins, chest, stomach ,back. "iron palm" seems to be a term like kung-fu these days(could imply anything)...and yes i agree with your opinion about the other sections in DR. Yang's book.

[IronFist]

"the whole body,,in forearms, shins, chest, stomach ,back"

You mean like the Wing Lam "Iron Body" video?

Iron