Iron Palm

[The Willow Sword]

nope i dont think so,,i did not know there was a video out that taught that. in the training i was briefly in before i came to my senses there was the post training,,where you hit the posts with your forearms and palms. the bag of beans(soybeans)why? cuase theyre cheap. as for the chest and back and stomach a paddle of sorts was used to strike those areas. i would use the iron slats of my iron fan to slap my forearms and upper arms.....for the shins we would use a 25-30lb iron bar and roll it up and down the shin bone edge(this freakin hurts) the shins would be wrapped with sport tape or ace bandage to prevent breaking of the skin.....then the medicine,,,,two formulas for the skin and an internal one for the internal bleeding that occurs. what does this video outline?,i am curious.

[cagey_vet]

hey dude, even if you 'know what you are doing',
then why bother to use the book as a guideline
at all, because it is never stated 'do this, then
do this.. when this is done, then move on to this'.
if you know so much, then -you- write a book.

i am simply trying to point out that the author
has put together -techniques- that have been
previously used to obtain certain results.
there is NO flowchart or schedule, and by doing
one of these, and 2 of these, and perhaps not
doing this, you can obtain your goals...
do yourself a favor and get a teacher :) the book is AWESOME reference. but not a guide.

[The Willow Sword]

Again i beg you to re-read what i have posted before,, i think that you are missing something here. as i have stated,,the book is a good reference guide,,thats what i was sugesting that people WHO ALREADY HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN THE TRAINING SHOULD READ. never did i say that it was a complete training manual. based on what i know the things outlined in the book are solid and RIGHT ON THE MARK. Tell me cagey vet,,what experience do you have in the iron palm training?
i would like to know i would also like to know if there is a good walgreens nearby you for you need to get some saline solution and clear your eyes,,or maybe the lack of sugar to your brain is causing you to not SEE what i am posting....i apologize for having to poke fun at you,,but this is getting ridiculous having to explain myself evertime you get this notion to challenge what i know and what references i utilize. :rolleyes:

[cagey_vet]

here is what you posted:
NO-ONE IS DOING IT LIKE THEYRE
SUPPOSED TO. I RECOMMEND THAT ALL OF YOU GETTING INTO OR ARE ALREADY
INTO THE IRON PALM TRAINING READ DR YAND JWING MINGS BOOK ON
"Marrow/brain washing muscle/tendon changing chi kung" althoug im not
a part of his organization i fully support and agree with (given my
own background in anatomy and physiology) the methods that Dr Yang
outlines for you in that book. READ IT.
end of what you posted.... anyways,
my iron palm is different than yours i am sure.
so we dont even have to go there. you cant verify my claims
and i cant verify yours, so i am ready to loan you some saline solution
now :) how about a slice of humble pie while we are at it?

[The Willow Sword]

yes i will have a slice of it,,and i offer you a cup of organic green tea to drink with your slice as well. the results will show themselves with the iron palm training when you are much older,,be whatever age you are now. yes i know what i have posted. from what i have seen those who get into the training start out bashing away at their extremeties,,and those who build up all the chi in their system that have a lot of fat surrounding their muscles, do the same....just some advice from one who is experienced also,,,,
FASCIA FIRST,,get it strong and resilient.
massage therapy will do this for you,,for the first few months you should do this,,then modify the diet to rid the surrounding extra unwanted fat. hey just my suggestion,,,,,,,
many respects,,,willow sword

[dfedorko@mindspring.com]

My Iron palm Brothers -

In Dr. Yang's book that Willow Palm speaks of so highly has a chapter on Yi Jin Jing Qigong Training and in this chapter are Fist Sets that will enhance your Iron Palm training. The book is very good. It should be part of your martial arts library.

Damian

[dfedorko@mindspring.com]

My Iron Palm Brothers -

Does anyone know Dr. Larry Sanders out of Austin, Texas? I am inquiring because he has an Iron Palm/Iron Body(Shirt) book on the market and I was wondering if anyone read the book and if it is worth buying a copy. Any assistance would be appreciated.


Damian

[dfedorko@mindspring.com]

My Iron Palm Brothers -

Can someone give me an honest answer as to why Iron Palm training,in some styles/circles, done in secret. Does it make a style/system more superior? Is it a sense of selfishness, could it be outdated thinking or greed. In today's world, Iron Palm training is demanding and, I feel, not too many people like slapping there hands in iron, getting their hands dirty, using jow/making their own jow etc. One does not train as as a warrior for survival as they did way back when. This is a factor, I believe that keeps us from uniting. The art of the Iron Palm will not be around forever and we should, if we want the art to continue, exchange methods, meditation techniques, jow formulas etc. Have a great day my Brothers.

Damian

[cagey_vet]

there are several reasons why the trainings are secretive...
1. my family iron palm has stuff in it that has been propagated
in my family for generations. give it to someone else, and its no
longer a 'family tradition', thus removing some of the elements
that give us our distinctive flavor.

2. quite frankly, it gives the student something to look
forward to after tenure in the system. a goal to shoot for.

3. the combination of both 1 and 2 create an 'esprit de corps', where
we all know that very few people do this specific thing a
specific way... and it gives us a nice warm fuzzy feeling deep inside :)

take away stylistic, traditional techniques inherent to a
system, and it dies.
give away stylistic, traditional 'secretive' techniques
inherent to a system, and it dies because it gets
absorbed into other styles.
what if one day the BJJ mooks decide that they want to learn
iron palm, which was once mostly secret ages ago.
ok, a generation down the road they get hip to iron body.
is nothing sacred?
i expect very few people to understand this, typically
westerners, or those who havent been engrained in
being part of a special group that has high spirits
and skills.
keep giving things away and pretty soon we end up
with one big unwieldy martial art.
you cant create order from such chaos...
you can only hope to contain the chaos from spreading.

[dfedorko@mindspring.com]

Thank you for the info. It is very much appreciated.

Damian