Any of you practice Sanshou along Tai Chi class ?

[TzuChan]

Yeah, probably all the Wudang people do this, but see I have this problem. I learned how to block a hook punch right, but **** it still hurts like hell, I can't imagine how ****ed up I'd be if one hooks me in a fight, I'd be KO'ed in no time =/ I know for sure I'm doing something wrong. Does anyone have some detailed picture or something, of how you place your hands against your head when they try to hook punch you ? My teacher said something like 'They don't hit your head, they hit your body', but with me they hit my fist/lower wrist which sticks to my head, and daaaammmmmn ! What exactly should I feel when I get a hook ? I mean I'm totally not doing it correctly, I'll ask for corrections next lesson, which is in a week, but if you guys could clear things up a little for me, before next week, that'd be great.

Thanks

[Liokault]

Well u already know I do sanshou with my Tai Chi (not a seperate thing but I compete in shan shou useing my Tai Chi).

Are you trying to do Grasp the birds tail? If so your hand should stop about 2-3 inches away (out wards) from your ear. You should be making contact with the "Hook" as early as is possiable and should be slowing it down till it finaly stops by your ear.

This is more for a big hay maker swing than a tight hook. If your against a tight hook its better to lay back (as in reeling silk) or duck/slip.

Also a hook is a close range movement and as such you should already have traped/clinched your oponent rather than trading blows at this range.

[TzuChan]

I'm not gonne start grappling with a dude twise my size just yet =) But could you show me a picture of how to do it ? I mean it really really is not worth blocking atm when I do it.

[Vapour]

You might find this interesting. Hope it help.

http://home.vtmuseum.org/articles/cr...ng.php#pagetop

[Repulsive Monkey]

Like Liokault, most people who do Taiji practice their San Shou within their Taiji.

[Stacey]

you probably aren't that far along.


a hook? Peng, Liu, cai, li, tsou, ko,

beng chuei, gao tan ma are also great for hook punches.

[Laughing Cow]

Our process in TJQ is along these lines.

Forms --> Tui Shou(Push Hands) --> San Shou(Sparring Hands).

Seeya.

[TaiChiBob]

Greetings..

Try a Buddha hands application.. with hands together over the heart as though praying, step into the hook (ie: if right hook, step with your right leg to the outside of the opponents right leg), launch the Buddha hands into the crease of the elbow, as you make contact part the hands.. the left hand slides to the opponents wrist extenting the hooking arm straight, the right forearm impacts the opponents jaw (at this point it looks like a left-side "fan-through-back".. the left hand, while grasping the opponents wrist pushes the opponents arm up and toward the opponent's back.. the right forearm wraps around the opponents head to secure a head-lock across the jaw as you twist the opponent's head to be looking at their right arm.. now, lift the opponent's head upward, cantilevering the vertibrae in the neck such that a minor snap could render a fatal dislocation of spinal connections.. nasty, but effective.. prior to the "snap", negotiations are recommended..

Be well..

[Liokault]

Repulsive Monkey

Like Liokault, most people who do Taiji practice their San Shou within their Taiji.

LOL thats just not true guy.

Most people who say they practice tai chi dont even DO tai chi.

I have fought a guy from zong ding under san shou rules (Repulsive Monkeys club/style) at a zong ding comp several years ago....he was a nice guy and easy to chat to so i went easy on him after it became clear that he really didnt have a clue what the **** he was doing!!!Wish i could remember his name.

He beat me in the moving step pushing hands which i found quite impresive as he was the first and last guy to do so (in a comp) for years.

[TzuChan]

If you follow Wudang, Dan docherty 'lineage' then sanshou IS a part of practice within TaiJi

[Ether]

TzuChan,
I think you miss-understood what Liokault was saying.....

**Complete off topic, why is your registration date showing as 1969?

[TzuChan]

Some error from the board, as you might have noticed alot of people have this date. Most of the people that registered a year ago or something (or two years dunno?) have that date in their account, check around, you'll notice many people wih that

Btw, anyone ever heared of Cung Le ? Omg I just saw some vids of this guy, so friggin great fighting omfg ! If anyone knows if this guy ever competed in K-1 or something, please let me know

[Vapour]

Originally posted by Liokault


I have fought a guy from zong ding under san shou rules (Repulsive Monkeys club/style) at a zong ding comp several years ago....

Hhe? Repulsive Monkey's school is Zong Ding????!

I'm in Zong Ding as well but he called my teacher/school not having any idea about taijiquan in regard to cordinating one's breathing with the form. What's going on here?

[Liokault]

Its Zong ding or may be zhong ding...I dont remember.

I know quite a lot of them (mainly the guys in birmingham UK) but we tend to disagree about Tai Chi.
RM for example thinks that Due to the fact that Wudang Tai Chi is an effective fighting art that it can not be Tai Chi and must be mixed with some other form of Chinese martial art. While I think that due to RM's Tai Chi not being an effective martial art that its just not Tai Chi.



Hmmm we both think the others style is not Tai Chi ...may be we are not so differant lol.

[Vapour]

Originally posted by Liokault
Its Zong ding or may be zhong ding...I dont remember.

I know quite a lot of them (mainly the guys in birmingham UK) but we tend to disagree about Tai Chi.
RM for example thinks that Due to the fact that Wudang Tai Chi is an effective fighting art that it can not be Tai Chi and must be mixed with some other form of Chinese martial art. While I think that due to RM's Tai Chi not being an effective martial art that its just not Tai Chi.



Hmmm we both think the others style is not Tai Chi ...may be we are not so differant lol.

Hmm, if his school think taijiquan is not a martial arts, I'm quite sure that his school is not my school. I just went to my school's site. It's Zhong Ding. Hehehe, I didn't know how to spell my school's name.

I met one school of taijiquan who adamantly inisits on the line of taijiquan-not-martial-arts. I think they are called Lee style.