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[PHILBERT]

I understand soldiers die, but to sit there and display it on television showing people playing with the body is what is horrible. You don't see U.S. troops on CNN taking Iraqi bodies and moving them around, playing with them and smiling while talking about how they wage war. You don't see the cameramen running up to dead Iraqi soldiers letting you see there face being ripped apart from bullet wounds and other wound, or them missing entire body parts. That is what ****es me off, at least we aren't showing the bodies of dead Iraqi soldiers and making fun of it.

I've watched CNN and MSNBC off and on the past few days and have yet to see them displaying images of dead soldiers. All I see is a live image of Baghdad and it looks like any random city in this country.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by PHILBERT
I understand soldiers die, but to sit there and display it on television showing people playing with the body is what is horrible. You don't see U.S. troops on CNN taking Iraqi bodies and moving them around, playing with them and smiling while talking about how they wage war. You don't see the cameramen running up to dead Iraqi soldiers letting you see there face being ripped apart from bullet wounds and other wound, or them missing entire body parts. That is what ****es me off, at least we aren't showing the bodies of dead Iraqi soldiers and making fun of it.

Fair point. I didn't listen to the audio on the aljazeera footage so I didn't know what they were saying. However, I do remember seeing pictures of burning Iraqi tanks with charred bodies hanging out of them back in 1991.

I agree though - the image of that guy with a big smile on his face moving that body around for a better shot was kinda sick.

[Laughing Cow]

Philbert.

Those are the realities of war, they don't go away by not showing them.
And bad and ugly things to happen on both sides.
Why, because human nature is human nature.

OTOH, if they are shown, maybe next time people will think twice before sending troops and starting a war.

CNN & MSNBC appear to be sugar-coating their broadcasts to make them palatable for the whole family.

[ZIM]

OTOH, if they are shown, maybe next time people will think twice before sending troops and starting a war.

Works for the Middle East. I think we all need a new approach, don't you?

[PHILBERT]

I was 7-8 years old back when we first went over there 12 years ago, I have little memory of it. I sure don't remember burning tanks and charred bodies. Realities of war, yes. But it also shows how gruesome they are over there displaying that stuff on tv and making fun of it. Im sure there are American soldiers over there who probably go to the bathroom on dead Iraqi soldiers, but you don't see it on CNN. If I did, I'd be angry too. But probably less angry at that sorry sack of **** who calls himself a human in that video for playing with the bodies.

[Laughing Cow]

Philbert.

I helped compile a presentation on the Holocaust for a school project.

To be honest I am still not sure who sickened me more the german troops or the jews that sided with them and commited atrocities and often worse ones on their fellow prisoners so that they might get out alive.

During this project I saw pictures and had to research some material of stuff that was not commonly known by the average person.

This things happen in EVERY war and on EVERY side.

It is hard not to give in to ones emotions, but at the same time humans are humans.

An Iraqi won't be more brutal or gruel than an american under the same circumstance.

Naturally you won't see the bad side of your own troops publicly paraded, that 's why it is important to get info from multiple sources.

Seeya.

P.S.: I remember Gulf War I well, we had a TV's set up in the offices so that we could follow the war.

[Laughing Cow]

Question.

How much was the RAF Tornado incident covered on US media??

We had quiet a bit of coverage on it over here.

[prana]

yea, but those english make fun of sheep-shaggers, I mean, Welschmen too, kinda emphasis on their whinging poms more than anything

No seriously, stop bashing the French, in fact we want Peugeot 206 WRC cars on the road, not some FWD GTi Naturally aspirated now !

Since Nissan is owned by Renault (I think) are we going to stop the 350Z being sold in the States ? hehee fat chance of that !

Especially love those people driving around in the Toyota Corollas and yelling out gooks at Asians....

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by Laughing Cow
Question.

How much was the RAF Tornado incident covered on US media??

We had quiet a bit of coverage on it over here.

Hmmm.

No one know what I am talking about??

[prana]

It is not cruelty, just cultural difference.

In all other countries other than first world, dead bodies are printed all over public newspapers. It's the reality of life.

Sad pow !

[respectmankind]

I am more ****ed that stuff like this happens, rather than being ****ed it is shown to me.

[Mr Punch]

That's pretty sick.

In some ways Prana is right and it could just be a cultural difference, al Jazeera show enough close-ups of Iraqi bodies albeit for a different reason. And the grinning looks more nervous than gleeful to me.

But I don't buy it. I'd like to have heard the commentaries. It looks like gloating, and the bullet wounds look like close range, not like normal combat.

And no, it shouldn't have been made. But now that it's been made, it should be shown. Partly to show the atrocity of some elements in the Iraqi military, and partly to show the atrocity of war.

The Bush administration, including the arms dealing 'containment specialist' Rumsfeld, have been hankering after this war for some time, and here are the poor ****ers who have got to do it for them. So yeah, I blame the Iraqi army scum and al Jazeera, but I still blame Bush.


As far as media exploitation goes... I was of course extremely sickened by the 911 atrocity, but I was also sickened by the constant repetition of the images, serving to feed an emotional response bypassing logical action, and at the same time inuring the public to the reality of feeling in sudden violent death.

Those images were indelibly printed on my mind the first time. Then the image of the man near the remains of the towers saying 'I can't believe it, it was just like a movie -' burned in pretty deep. We, especially a lot of the American people it seems, are all in a movie, and watching another.

This may help to explain why there are no equivalent pictures from the Allies' side from the last Gulf War, or from Afghanistan. If you can get past the writer's obvious anti-American bias and look at the facts he gives more dispassionately than he, it'll give you something to think about.

Stumble, the bodies will be from both sides.

A prayer for the families, and the other soldiers. A prayer for the soldiers on both sides, that they don't lose their humanity. Death to those who committed those atrocities. And a curse on the Bushes and Rumsfeld.

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by Fred Sanford
I will not buy anything that is french. no more peugeots for me. I used to down french wine by the gallon but no more, strictly napa valley from now on.

LMFAO; what a ****ing idiot! Bet the French economy is quaking... how much ****ing wine did you drink...? That may explain some of your posts...!

And LC, good point. Any sanctions anyone imposes only serves to ****-up the people... sure as hell doesn't get them to vote any different. And now the economy is soooo global, it's just going to injure international trade... and cause more pocket dictators to look for new ways of contributing to international diplomacy... like restarting abandoned nuke programmes...

And let's face it, the US, UK, French etc yawn etc governments have all authorised trade deals against internationally or even unilaterally agreed sanctions in the past... but good luck to you Fred.

Try educated articles, argument and discussion to influence foreign governments... or knee-jerk BS...! Don't reckon either of them actually have much chance, but guess the former has slightly more than zero.


Now... the freedom tickler... that sounds like infinitely more fun than the French variety...!

[TzuChan]

Pfsh .. Freedom Fries .. you people realise it should be Belgian Fries yes ? Have you ever eaten fries in France ? They are so frigging horrible =[ Freedom Fries, makes america look like fools though Not that i'm anti-America or something.

[rogue]

aljazeera Take it for what it's worth.