whats happening???

[CLOUD ONE]

Hey the old gang is here-----Hooray I thought it wasn't just F.T's school that had gone to sleep but the whole Bak Mei Pai.
LOL, nice to see you have your wit still sui, but ''your weakness is not your technique''
hey yummy still trying to catch sui's tail, well good luck and ''your weakness is your technique'' HEHEHE.

Hey F.t rolling hand has invisible hands and superior footwork, so centreline or not can you find his centre?(ask yuanfen he knows the secrets)

BTW viagra does the trick to harden your wing chun pole,so I have heard.

[Rolling_Hand]

Hey F.t rolling hand has invisible hands and superior footwork, so centreline or not can you find his centre?(ask yuanfen he knows the secrets)

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Cloud One,

hahaha....be picky about where to invest your energies.

About that Yuanfen, you have a wonderful way of telling it like it is while making FT chuckle.

[Sui]

hey yum i've seen your "stances",you're no push over and niether is roger.i do respect you while its morning,then we tango?
totally agree we must be hit to know,wake up or sleep,may even die,if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen eh yum?

looks like no-one wants to go at the history of w/c.well yum its like this fung ken/hung kuen is responsible for many kf eg.wing chun.yip mans is a new[and some say improved] session.thats all i'll say,unless you wanna have a go at me roger?

hahahaah cloud,my weakness is my strength and thats cruel to say about yum.and roger's not laughing these are our brothers but somewhere in the dark yuan is laughing.so am i hahahahaha.

sui.

p.s yum how do you know i'm "not just talk?"

[fiercest tiger]

same goes for FT's Body shifting can a centerline be felt? lol

Is there a DOOR / GATE to enter? maybe??

FT

Hey my school is closed but still teaching mate, still strong my friend YKM will live forever....AHHHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL

[CLOUD ONE]

' hahaha....be picky about where to invest your energies'
Got you.........Ok so where should I invest my energies?

Hey F.T- press hard press soft do you decide? or has roger gone.......with the wind!!!!

''Is there a DOOR / GATE to enter? maybe??'' are you asking or have you found any?

YKM will live forever- but what's in a name?
Do you make YKm alive or are you alive????



p.s yum how do you know i'm "not just talk?" talk is cheap and it only takes a click!!!! but that click can open a can of worms----hey sui

[Rolling_Hand]

<<Got you.........Ok so where should I invest my energies?>>Cloud One
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Clond one,

How about have a go with Yuanfen yourself?

hahaha....so you don't have to hide behind my back!



<<looks like no-one wants to go at the history of w/c.well yum its like this fung ken/hung kuen is responsible for many kf eg.wing chun.yip mans is a new[and some say improved] session.thats all i'll say,unless you wanna have a go at me roger?>>Sui
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Sui,

Things will unravel before they come together, so adopt a more fleexible approach. Wing Chun is the way to go. IMO, the Bak Mei stance is too hard, and the fists are too stiff.

hahaha......you're having a donut - *no center*

On a serious note, what WC history are you talking about? Have you forgotten that story between WC and Bak Mei in China two years ago? That Bak Mei Grandmaster both father and son were down by the Fatshan WC fighter. Now, that's the real WC history you should know about. LOL!

[yuanfen]

[Yum Cha]

Wing Chun history.

Without bias, and as a casual observer, I was always under the impression that regardless of its original roots, or it components, that Wing Chun was a tool of the Anti Ching revolutionaries that wanted to train up an "army" of rebels, quickly and efficiently. It was the first of the "scientific" arts if you will. It was taught by the guys on the red or the green boat, or something like that, a travelling entertainment boat, Opera, theatre, or something like that. It all started at the same time as the triads.

Now, what it was made from could be relevent, just like what Pak Mei was originally made of could be relevent, however I suspect it is its more modern phase which we know and love so much <grin>.

Is that anywhere close Roger?

Your comments on Pak Mei hands being hard are fair ones. Pak Mei hands are harder, and in a difference, there is an opportunity, and as the opportunity goes both ways, it comes down to the practitioner, training, sifu.

I've been told of WC seniors that could rotate the torso quickly enough to dodge attacks and send the attacker falling over their own feet.

It appears to me, however, that Wing Chun focuses on the centerline techniques, and while Pak Mei has this, it has much more as well. This is the problem with the widespread nature of WC, its easy to see it, know how it works and plan strategy against it.

What has me most interested is the difference in the stance between two WC clans, one close, toes in, one with the foot dropped back.

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Concerning Futsan WC. Do you know of the Mirrored Trophy and a Guangzhou Pak Mei fighter named "ah Bang." There is a history here, how much of it do you know?

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Cloud, what ever in the world made you think I thought you were anything more than talk?? Get your hand off it.

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Sui - you're my buddy Sui, what makes you think I'd doubt you? You don't doubt yourself, do you? Now, what's all this about "b@st@rd" kung fu??

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And who is Yuanfen? Is this like 3 billy goats gruff?

[yuanfen]

This is the problem with the widespread nature of WC, its easy to see it, know how it works and plan strategy against it.
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Really?

[BIU JI]

I been waiting here for months, where you been man?!

Still making trouble in chinatown lol?!

[Rolling_Hand]

<<Without bias, and as a casual observer, I was always under the impression that regardless of its original roots, or it components, that Wing Chun was a tool of the Anti Ching revolutionaries that wanted to train up an "army" of rebels, quickly and efficiently. It was the first of the "scientific" arts if you will. It was taught by the guys on the red or the green boat, or something like that, a travelling entertainment boat, Opera, theatre, or something like that. It all started at the same time as the triads.>>Yum Cha

We like to remind ourselves that this part of WCK history was founded by two risk-takers, and our ancestors and heirs want that to continue...--RH

<<Now, what it was made from could be relevent, just like what Pak Mei was originally made of could be relevent, however I suspect it is its more modern phase which we know and love so much <grin>.

Is that anywhere close Roger?>>Yum Cha

Past history certainly colors actions, but it shouldn't become an excuse. You may want to learn a little more about your centerline in your kung-fu. hahaha...please don't shoot at me, I'm just a wild bird and I like to sing my song.--RH

<<Your comments on Pak Mei hands being hard are fair ones. Pak Mei hands are harder, and in a difference, there is an opportunity, and as the opportunity goes both ways, it comes down to the practitioner, training, sifu.>>Yum Cha

What used to open for debate is now marked "off limits." As for that Bak Mei father & son story, you don't want to be taken along the ride.--RH

<<I've been told of WC seniors that could rotate the torso quickly enough to dodge attacks and send the attacker falling over their own feet.>>Yum Cha

LOL...have you talked to Yuanfen lately?--RH

<<It appears to me, however, that Wing Chun focuses on the centerline techniques, and while Pak Mei has this, it has much more as well. This is the problem with the widespread nature of WC, its easy to see it, know how it works and plan strategy against it.>>Yum Cha

You see...that's your problem here -"plan strategy against it." In WC, we don't need to think, we just react to it. A donut for you - "You have no time to plan anything in the real fight."--RH

<<What has me most interested is the difference in the stance between two WC clans, one close, toes in, one with the foot dropped back.>>Yum Cha

Yeah....WC is a big family. Sometimes people want to talk about
Microbiology. because they want to impress you. LOL!

<<Concerning Futsan WC. Do you know of the Mirrored Trophy and a Guangzhou Pak Mei fighter named "ah Bang." There is a history here, how much of it do you know?>>Yum Cha

I'm listening if you have a story to tell.--RH

[Sui]

hahahahaha,my god you don't know do you roger?cloud stuffed your buddy about a year ago[on about 3 different threads] so i don't know what hes laughing about.maybe,its that you caio down like a good boy.....hahahaha
"things will unravel"==so you're telling me you don't know,well thats fair enough.
no i haven't forgotten,all i can say they don't represent I.so what ever their problems with wing chun they must be cr@p.
pm stances-I only have 3 the same as w/c.your problem roger is you trust w/c wich is foolish my little bird,here have some more worms.LOL

yuan,2 words-lim lik.hahahahaha oh some more-you don't know it.lol oh some more-mole hill comes to muhamed.lol

hi bui you good?

yum,doubt is too strong,but as you've asked yes i do.it happens when i think.
come to hk you will see,there is no middle ground.and you can't doze for a second.
hahahahahah yes yuan is something like that.

sui xxx

[Rolling_Hand]

hahahahaha,my god you don't know do you roger?cloud stuffed your buddy about a year ago[on about 3 different threads] >>SUI
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Sui,

Is there a story behind Cloud's backyard?

Though you hate going backward. It's clear that a report about Cloud may be in order....hahaha!

[Yum Cha]

Originally posted by Rolling_Hand

What used to open for debate is now marked "off limits." As for that Bak Mei father & son story, you don't want to be taken along the ride.--RH

The father and son story is a little different in Guangzhou.

<<I've been told of WC seniors that could rotate the torso quickly enough to dodge attacks and send the attacker falling over their own feet.>>Yum Cha

LOL...have you talked to Yuanfen lately?--RH

I see, it is something better explained by an elite player, like Yuanfen?

<<It appears to me, however, that Wing Chun focuses on the centerline techniques, and while Pak Mei has this, it has much more as well. This is the problem with the widespread nature of WC, its easy to see it, know how it works and plan strategy against it.>>Yum Cha

You see...that's your problem here -"plan strategy against it." In WC, we don't need to think, we just react to it. A donut for you - "You have no time to plan anything in the real fight."--RH

You overstate the obvious. I mean no disrespect for your art, I offer only my insight that you might consider it. I think you agree with my simple theory. Practice, practice, practice. When you touch only your training can carry the day. If you practice the same weak sh1t, you fight weak sh1t. If you practice hard sh1t, you get hard sh1t, and weak sh1t too, for whatever its worth. I don't use side kicks, but you would understand my arrogance when I say I can attack one, because I have the training. If you live in America, I would lay better than even odds you've never seen the hand, much less touched it, much less trained against it. Yet you are so sure. Strategy is not your combinations, but the belief that to know your enemy is to know yourself.

You are right in respecting the centerline. But the weakness is in the horizontal centerline, against a vertical centerline, perhaps also called an axis. There's a hole for your doughnit. And you can rotate on it.

And with Pak Mei, you can turn even a stone into gold.

<<What has me most interested is the difference in the stance between two WC clans, one close, toes in, one with the foot dropped back.>>Yum Cha

Yeah....WC is a big family. Sometimes people want to talk about
Microbiology. because they want to impress you. LOL!

All life comes from microbiology, perhaps again I should ask Yuanfen?

<<Concerning Futsan WC. Do you know of the Mirrored Trophy and a Guangzhou Pak Mei fighter named "ah Bang." There is a history here, how much of it do you know?>>Yum Cha

I'm listening if you have a story to tell.--RH

1966 Lai (or Ly, Li) Ban (or bang) The trophy was a mirrored plaque awarded by the Futsan Wing Chun to the Champion of a Challenge tournament. I don't know too much more about it, perhaps you might enquire if you have any sources, it was a WC thing. 1966 puts it at the end of the era of the suppression of the 4 old ways, but not in the open yet.

Sui - certainly you find no doubt when you think like a Tiger? UK, I wish. Are you back now, or still in HK?

[yuanfen]

You are right in respecting the centerline. But the weakness is in the horizontal centerline, against a vertical centerline, perhaps also called an axis. There's a hole for your doughnit. And you can rotate on it.
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Sorry= you dont understand wing chun. You first master the
vertical-then the horizontals. One step ata time in development.
Dont mistake the step for the whole walk.