The definition of good structure

[reneritchie]

I see having good structure as mostly refering to being able to keep your balance. I think your stance and body structure/unity should be able to absorb only minimal force, the force that it can't absorb should be turned out/deflected/redirected. instead of absorbing force into your yee jee yim yeung ma, you shift (turning stance, choh ma) and redirect it.

If you think about it, that's not really workable. A path is a path, whether it is incoming or outgoing force. If you can't support force with your structure, it not only means you can't stand there while someone pushes on you, it means you can't stand there when you push on someone (hit). In the instant of striking, you need to provide a stable platform so the initial force goes into them and doesn't bounce you off instead (or collapse you if your bridges are weaker).

When you're capable of aligning, and are sensitive enough to accept incoming force, you can then *choose* to change, rather than always being forced into recovery mode (which sacrifices options and timing).

This means, if I know an attack is not serious enough to cause me problems, I can just cleave the center and finish immediately. It also means, though the body sensitivity, if the force is bigger than my buffer can sustain (gained through experience), I can change while still keeping control of myself, and achieve more advantageous positioning.

[kj]

Originally posted by reneritchie
A path is a path, whether it is incoming or outgoing force. If you can't support force with your structure, it not only means you can't stand there while someone pushes on you, it means you can't stand there when you push on someone (hit).

Yup.

Originally posted by yylee
IMHO, it is not force on force when the person who has good structure does not "feel" much pressure exerted by his/her opponent.

While technically it is force against force (denotation), it isn't primarily muscular force against force (connotation). I strongly agree with the spirit of your point, and indeed the proponent should feel relatively little impact, while the opponent rightly feels a significant one.

I concur with the relevance of the 5 checkpoints listed by atleastiamnotyou and John. But then of course I would, LOL@myself.

Regards,
- kj

[yylee]

Originally posted by Phenix
Structure is a jumping stone state..
Silk floating in the air is just begining to awake.......

Springy means certain purposely tensing.
Rooted means tensing in the legs.

sure you can use muscles to freeze a springy structure, but that is a soft spring and can still be collapsed by force.

a better spring is one that the more you press on it, the more uprooted you become. It feels like your force has gone no where and has no effect while he/she is just smiling at you.


Somewhere in the back of my mind there is a voice saying root and stance are just convenient terms, they don't really exist. But that takes a paradigm shift to happen

[Phenix]

Originally posted by yylee





Somewhere in the back of my mind there is a voice saying root and stance are just convenient terms, they don't really exist. But that takes a paradigm shift to happen

buy a pair of new with extra cusion running NIKE shoe. everytime you walk a step you rooted and unrooted. you can feel that free and slight bouncy feeling.

But if you read Robert Chu's work and carry all what he says like carrying a boat after cross the river, then you are in trouble.
Why carry the boat which add to your own in convernient.

Same with all those Kim Sat, sinking elbow.......

Buy a pair of new extra cussion running Nike shoe today. and learn rooting and body structure there dynamically.

Remember the bird has to dip alittle before take off? just that a little. But then ha ha haha, if you always pay attention to that dip you will not walk right but acting and excessive in motion.


Those who belive in rigid formular and time and spare... never understand the nature and dynamic. even time is non linear and relative..... So for them life is life, nature is nature, wing chun is wing chun, shao lin is shao lin, emei is emei, white crane is white crane. Do we care for all those label? Buying Nike or Adidas?
paradigm shift? some one has to awake in stead of being silly.

PS:
It doesn't matter You are buying NIke or Adidas. But it is matter to know what to look for. But then I can not walk for you even If i have mind seal from DAMO of Chan, not to mention all the misleading teaching which has no substance.


So, let got the limit thought and return to the true emptiness.
experience the walking with a pair of new extra cussion Nike.
Then, one begins to know structure by nature.

Belief it or not. Forgot about yik kam or Shao LIn or emei or white crane. the final analysis is Got Experience (milk) and where is the art (beef). But then we are talking about different things. or needs to be fullfill.

http://www.mrdowling.com/602-maslow.html

we can't blame some looking for safety and esteem while some talking about self actualization.

All is about structure. only in different paradigm.

very thing is ok.

[yylee]

I have a pair of Nike air already, after a few days of walking it feels normal. But I know what you mean.

>>Remember the bird has to dip alittle before take off? just that a little. But then ha ha haha, if you always pay attention to that dip you will not walk right but acting and excessive in motion.

That's to say if we want to "make" a good stance, the stance will become rigid the harder we try, isn't it?

We have a saying that the legs are just there to prevent the body from dropping to the floor, but that doesn't mean we press hard or hold it rigidly against the floor. The dynamics of the spine and the legs help maintain the balance.

Need to watch my 1 year old daughter's walking more closely, she is really not tense on her legs. Need to be soft like babies' limbs.....

[desertwingchun2]

" ...While wealthy or celebrated people might reach self-actualization, many psychologists believe that most people who have reached the highest level of happiness are unknown beyond their circle of family and friends." from
http://www.mrdowling.com/602-maslow.html

Apropos for the ancestors.

Those who belive in rigid formular and time and spare... never understand the nature and dynamic. even time is non linear and relative..... Hendrick

*it's believe, formula, space, non-linear .... but I digress

Hendrick can speak on others understandings when his own are deficient ??? When you're not quoting other people's knowledge from books, your own or lack there of shines through like beautiful springtime.

some one has to awake in stead of being silly. - Hendrick

Ahh ... self-awareness

-David

[TjD]

for me, good structure boils down to how doing something feels.

i was lucky enough to have a sifu who would go over just bong/tan/fook with me for hours, just so i could get it right. who would break down dan chi sau/chi sau into its smallest bits and get us to find what structure really was:

bong sau - no good!
bong sau - no good! try this!
bong sau - no good! try again!
bong sau - better! try again!
bong sau - better! try again
bong sau - nope!
bong sau - good!

and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on

what this left me with was a good general feeling of what "structure" is. sure you can describe in in terms of bones and tendons and such, but once you got the feeling thats the best way to make sure you always have structure.

with a bong/fook structure feels like my body/core is effortlessly immoveable/unstoppable and my bong/fook effortlessly redirects/jams (bong) or absorbs/redirects (fook).

wtih a tan sau structure my body and tan sau feel effortlessly immoveable and unstoppable.

when practicing wing chun, i try to make sure i always have this feeling of structure.

[Phenix]

Originally posted by desertwingchun2
[I]" Hendrick can speak on others understandings when his own are deficient ???
-David

I have never claim to be know it all and perfect.
but, how much do you know about me?

I am curious on how much your structure can against grapper or the low round horse kicks of Mua thai or Kyokushin in your opinion?







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