Virtua Fighter 4 for PS2

[StickyHands]

Nah, people who's names ends with "offer" usually like to lick my fingers dry for me. lol

[Kristoffer]

Crap, good counter I have a ton of YO MAMA jokes but I won't go there..

lol

[StickyHands]

good for u, because as i recall it, they were 1995. too many kids were experimenting with their mommas. i was usually the one who laughed their ass off when i would hear about their life in the ghettos.

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by StickyHands
Then why is Baji external? And somewhat easily defeated against, let say a proficient Tai Chi or Xingyi practitioner, if they both have same years and ardour for training?

Uhh, right.

[StickyHands]

Great, we just have another Kristoffer in our hand. People just dont get it that when you answer question, back it up with explanation. lol. But then again, look where we are.

(Because notice when I mentioned same ardour for training, meaning same number of years of training, same dedication, and highly malleable to attaining new skills, -_- sigh)

[Daredevil]

Ignab glub bulbul.

Come again?

I can't believe this is a thread about VF4. Somehow, it's very fitting, though.

To get back on topic, something I thought about the Baji as displayed in the game, was that while the techniques looked in part like Baji (though with a rather "karate-esque" flavor), the game fails utterly to display how Baji looks when applied. The moves may look right, but the way they're linked and the range the fighting is done at is just wrong. Of course, I'm sure that could be said of a great many styles displayed in games.

[StickyHands]

"Ignab glub bulbul." is that the Finish way of saying something? lol. Anyway, Id also like to hear what u have to say about Baji art itself. Like what's the difference between Baji and Pigua, and how does Baji in comparison differ as an "internal" than Tai Chi? Isnt Baji external as well? Thanks.

[sweaty_dog]

When was the last time a baji guy and a tai chi or xing yi guy actually tried to hurt each other? Has it ever happened enough that there is any kind of statistical basis for saying one beats the other?

[Kristoffer]

""good for u, because as i recall it, they were 1995. too many kids were experimenting with their mommas. i was usually the one who laughed their ass off when i would hear about their life in the ghettos.""


What the hell r u talking about? You experimented with your momma 1995? In that case I don't wanna hear about it. And YOU laughed THEIR ass off? Ghettos?
Are you high?

""People just dont get it that when you answer question, back it up with explanation""

It was you who made the ******* remark that "Baji is somewhat easily defeated against, let say a proficient Tai Chi or Xingyi practitioner". I answered that this is wrong and an explanation why too. I think you should re-read my posts.

ok being serious now. I think Yu Suzukis fighting games usually show somewhat realistic moves from different martial arts. Like in Shenmue you can do alot of famous Judo throws, Karate punches and later on you learn moves from Hsing-I and Pakua.


sweaty_dog
You CAN'T say that "one beats the other" because the style don't matter. It all depends on wich practioner trains harder etc..

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by StickyHands
Anyway, Id also like to hear what u have to say about Baji art itself. Like what's the difference between Baji and Pigua, and how does Baji in comparison differ as an "internal" than Tai Chi? Isnt Baji external as well? Thanks.

My experience in Pigua so far is somewhat limited. I've only done a few exercises and seen only what my teacher has shown in the few occasions he's talked at length about it.

The primary idea is to supplement one's fighting skills with an art that is rather complementary to Baji, but likes to fight at a different range. Baji is very short range, while Pigua is long-range. From what I've seen the Pigua approach to combat seems fairly good against multiple opponents (well, if anything really can be truly good vs. multiple opponents).

The expressions of power -- jings -- in Pigua and some Baji movements may not be very far from each other.

As for the question on internal or external, I suggest you find a few threads on that very subject in the archives. It's been beaten around. Personally, I don't care much for the words "internal" and "external". If you want a more thorough analysis, please define what exactly you mean by those terms and I can offer my views. The definitions vary greatly from one to the other.

if you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to answer.

[StickyHands]

Originally posted by Kristoffer
"

"Crap, good counter I have a ton of YO MAMA jokes but I won't go there..lol"

"good for u, because as i recall it, they were 1995. too many kids were experimenting with their mommas. i was usually the one who laughed their ass off when i would hear about their life in the ghettos."


"What the hell r u talking about? You experimented with your momma 1995? In that case I don't wanna hear about it. And YOU laughed THEIR ass off? Ghettos?
Are you high? "

Phew! For a second there, I thought you were trying to be offensive. Ummm ran out of kintergarden jokes already? lol. Not only you cant explain, but it seems your mentally challenged and illiterate, can you read? Ok, I'll s l o w it down for ya. What I m e a n t was people like you who came up with momma jokes back in 1995 were experimenting with what I'd call Freudian Oediupus complex with their mommas. lol. So they were speaking from their experiences. Stay in school little fella! Peace.

[StickyHands]

Originally posted by Daredevil


My experience in Pigua so far is somewhat limited. I've only done a few exercises and seen only what my teacher has shown in the few occasions he's talked at length about it.

The primary idea is to supplement one's fighting skills with an art that is rather complementary to Baji, but likes to fight at a different range. Baji is very short range, while Pigua is long-range. From what I've seen the Pigua approach to combat seems fairly good against multiple opponents (well, if anything really can be truly good vs. multiple opponents).

The expressions of power -- jings -- in Pigua and some Baji movements may not be very far from each other.

As for the question on internal or external, I suggest you find a few threads on that very subject in the archives. It's been beaten around. Personally, I don't care much for the words "internal" and "external". If you want a more thorough analysis, please define what exactly you mean by those terms and I can offer my views. The definitions vary greatly from one to the other.

if you have any specific questions, I'll be glad to answer.

I mean like in Chen Tai Chi, do you generate starting from the leg or utilizing the whole body or do you generate power just from one part of the limb? Pigua long range and Baji, short range, what you mean by that, can you please elaborate? Shouldn't it have composite ranges in both arts? And if Pigua is good for multiple opponents, are you saying that's what Baji is inefficient in? I heard Baji is a lot like Xingyi. And to learn Xingyi, it's usually faster than Tai Chi or Bagua. So what's the feasible and usable skills for the street learning curve for Baji or Pigua, same as Xingyi? Thanks a lot.

[Daredevil]

Originally posted by StickyHands


I mean like in Chen Tai Chi, do you generate starting from the leg or utilizing the whole body or do you generate power just from one part of the limb?

Baji always uses whole body power (Baji has the Six Harmonies) and manifests inch power (kinda like WC's one-inch-punch), ie. you don't draw back your arm to generate velocity. An inch or even less is enough to accelerate the fist (for example) into full power. Developing these skills is what Baji basics are all about.

Originally posted by StickyHands


Pigua long range and Baji, short range, what you mean by that, can you please elaborate? Shouldn't it have composite ranges in both arts?

In fights, Baji tends to get in and stick very close. I don't mean close like in-fighting in Wing Chun, but REALLY close, sometimes in body to body contact.

On the contrary, Pigua techniques are best performed at a longer distance from the opponent.

Of course, there's techniques for various ranges in both arts, but this is speaking generally here.

Originally posted by StickyHands


And if Pigua is good for multiple opponents, are you saying that's what Baji is inefficient in?

I'm saying everything is inefficient in fighting multiple opponents. Baji no more than most, but how I've seen Pigua performed it might be a good way to deal with multiple attackers.

Good range, swinging attacks and footwork (and strikes) that are easily performed one way first, the other the second. You'd probably have to see it to appreciate it.

Originally posted by StickyHands


I heard Baji is a lot like Xingyi. And to learn Xingyi, it's usually faster than Tai Chi or Bagua. So what's the feasible and usable skills for the street learning curve for Baji or Pigua, same as Xingyi? Thanks a lot.

Baji is commonly said to be a lot like Xingyi and a lot like Chen style Taijiquan. There are definate similarities, but my experience with Xingyi is very brief and largely theoretical.

As for easy to learn .. I'd say, easy to train (simple basic exercises that'll teach you the core skills), but hard to learn (be prepared to work on these exercises every day for a couple of years before you'll see any real skill, otherwise I'd pretty much forget about it). Certainly more immediately easy to grasp and apply than Taiji, but the real skills -- whole body and inch power as mentioned -- don't open up quickly.

[StickyHands]

Thanks, this is great. And Baji is said to be hard style, and Pigua is said to be soft, how is this differentiation materialized into actual training?

[StickyHands]

What is silk-reeling in Baji, is it the same as in Chen Tai Chi? How is it done in Baji? Thank you.