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  1. 04-24-2003, 06:22 PM #1
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    Made-Up Forms & Long Dead Master's!

    How many of you have heard of people making up their own Kata (Forms) and then for commercial reason's attaching the name of some long dead master to the form in the hope of gaining credibility for the kata and the person who made it up?

    What if that person then commenced to sell this so-called Kata on a video to anyone who would part with their hard earned money in the belief they were actually getting footage of a form with genuine lineage to the long dead master?

    Is this not disrespectful to the memory of the long dead master whose name was tagged on to the kata?

    Is this not lying to the students and other well-paying punters who line up at seminars to learn what they incorrectly believe is a true historically correct form?

    Is this type of practice not genuine martial arts fraud?
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  2. 04-24-2003, 06:36 PM #2
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    Hmmm.

    How do YOU feel about a MA style/system that assigned a dead Taoist monk or other famous personality as the Founder of the style/system?

    Or falsifying a founders true history to make a system more acceptable?
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  3. 04-24-2003, 08:42 PM #3
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    Yes, I'd say knowingly decieving people in order to gain money or presiege is fraud.
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  4. 04-24-2003, 08:44 PM #4
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    Yes, I'd say knowingly decieving people in order to gain money or presiege is fraud.
    And as we all know, presiege is the posturing before the actual seige begins.
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  5. 04-24-2003, 08:47 PM #5
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    what I really hate is the snuggleing they expect after the siege.
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

    I could be completely wrong"
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  6. 04-24-2003, 08:51 PM #6
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    And the talking. What the hell's with that?
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  7. 04-24-2003, 10:12 PM #7
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    A soft feminine voice in my ear--"What are you thinking about, sweetheart?"

    WHAT I SAY---"Thinking about you baby."

    WHAT I WAS THINKING---Nothing at all, I'm half asleep, enjoying "the glow", and I see her looking at me and I KNOW she's about to say something-----
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  8. 04-25-2003, 03:08 AM #8
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    it's easy to fake the snuggle and just fall asleep. but goddang just shut up already. you'd think with all the screaming they'd be tired.
    "George never did wake up. And, even all that talking didn't make death any easier...at least not for us. Maybe, in the end, all you can really hope for is that your last thought is a nice one...even if it's just about the taste of a nice cold beer."

    "If you find the right balance between desperation and fear you can make people believe anything"

    "Is enlightenment even possible? Or, did I drive by it like a missed exit?"

    It's simpler than you think.

    I could be completely wrong"
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  9. 04-25-2003, 06:40 AM #9
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    LOL man... I need to stop posting after midnight
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  10. 04-25-2003, 06:48 AM #10
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    u guys totally lost me there?

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  11. 04-25-2003, 07:23 AM #11
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    Tsuruken, I suppose you have examples in mind...hhmmmmm??
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  12. 04-25-2003, 07:28 AM #12
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    Theres a Shaolin Do school in Australlia?
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  13. 04-25-2003, 07:33 AM #13
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    To answer, lets just say that a very high profile "Historian" of the martial arts of Okinawa has done exactly this and I feel duped quite a few hard working students and other martial artists of their money and time for what is essentially something he put together and then tagged the name of a long dead master on to same.

    The person in question has done this on several occasions and markets video tapes and seminars of these so-called secret forms for more than a few dollars ......... of course!
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  14. 04-25-2003, 08:43 AM #14
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    Who is it?
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  15. 04-25-2003, 08:57 AM #15
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    yes.
    You should tie him to a tree and invite everyone who has bought one of those books to throw rocks at him.

    and father dog- get in the habit of talking in your sleep.
    ahhhh.... the warm "glow" is quite sleep enducing......


    And the reason that they arent as tired as you
    "you'd think with all the screaming they'd be tired."
    is because you did all the work to cause the screaming.

    (least is usually the case for I)




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