Att: Repulsive Monkey Or Any Other Tcm Practitioners-low Jing-help!

[Former castleva]

I wonder what you are suggesting now.

"Ah, yes. My previous post does seem to contain an unintentional tint of ambiguous bias. I do fully believe in most of the teachings from the East, for I have no reason to doubt it. Unless, of course I took a purely (modern) scientific approach."

I realize teachings from the East do fascinate you,they used to fascinate me too.
I´m a bit concerned when you say that you fully believe most of the teachings from the East (East-not being defined very well)
Trying to develop a decent picture of "teachings from the East" in my Western brain,I believe I can safely say that a teaching or two from that very direction can be of use,and also that they can also be of little use (now it depends where you´re taking something to.I posit that to rationally examine certain "teachings" does not necessarily embrace them)

"Though, science seems to be beneficial in the long run, I am all too aware of its greatest flaw... the scientists. They hold true to one vision of the mechanics of the universe, and only change minutely. Any drastic change in the view of the universe, or inventions that fully destroy the logic behind conventional theory will be ridiculed, and ultimately suppressed."

It seems to me you are not among the science camp then.
Of course I would be delighted to see your evidence for this and also how this relates.
If this is supposed to relate to the fraud that we discussed earlier,I´m afraid you may have to reconstruct your definition of science.

[nothingness]

OK- went to see my TCM doctor today- she felt my pulses and told me I still have Yin deficiency and low chi, and when I asked her big or small, she said 'big."- f@ck. Anyway, that being the case, I've been planning on starting regular weightlifting (not too heavy), judo, and karate, a couple times a week each, in the near future. Would that be contra-indicated for one in my condition? Or beneficial? Thanks-

[Jack Squat]

nothingness-

If you were diagnosed with yin deficiency and "low chi" (which is chi deficiency), you probably should only do light exercise until you resolve your situation. If you are yin deficient, you probably have (or have the tendency to have) heat signs- dry skin, thirst, night sweats, five palm heat (hot hands, feet, and chest), dry cough, insomnia, irritability, etc, so you need to replenish yin. Be sure to drink an energy drink like Gatorade or Powerade if exercising hard. Did your TCM doc give you a formula? If not, try eating cooling, yin-replenishing foods such as watermelon, pears, spinach, pumkin, etc. Avoid hot, spicy foods. As far as the chi deficiency, you definitely need herbs, but you could do chi kung (qi gong) and simply eat well (be sure to eat meat to build up your chi) and get plenty of rest (try to lower your stress as well). If I were you, I would do lots of Taiji and standing meditation. In addition, in my experience, herbs are better than acupuncture (although AP helps) to tonify the qi and blood, so I hope you got an herbal formula.

And of course, as one who is yin and chi deficient, you need to use restraint in the bedroom arts, if you know what I mean.

I hope this helps.



Jack

[Former castleva]

Nothingness,

I´d take it with a grain of salt.
If you´re concerned,you might want to see a person,a legal,trained professional (unfortunately these days,regulated does not mean qualified anymore) who can diagnose you rationally,or AT LEAST COME UP WITH REAL MEDICAL TERMS TO DESCRIBE YOUR "CONDITION".
I´m not saying that your TCM doctor is after your money,I can´t say any of that.But it is known that quacks may want to hint at some either non-existent or non-falsifiable (as in this case) condition/disease,whatever that you have,which in turn means that you need treatment/potion X. I´m saying this,since I remember that you said something about real doctors not being able (according to "doctors"-) to locate illnesses or beginnings of-,that you may or may not have.
Those pulse diagnoses and hair analyses do NOT have basis in medical science and physiology,of course I´m still ready to be proven wrong (which has not yet happened)

[Jack Squat]

Former

Your posts indicate that you have a very sharp mind, but you are plagued by the idealism of youth.

Of course, in it's purest form, science as an ideal is about truth, (therefore on this level, I agree with you).

But I also agree with PhantomFighter, the problem is that science is done by PEOPLE, and people have agendas. If you think that science is only done in the pure interest of science (validating ideas and pushing the envelope of knowledge), you haven't been around the block. Most science is conducted via grants (or by private corporations). Have you ever tried to get a grant? Talk about an agenda driven political nightmare!!!!! If the powers-that-be don't like you or your ideas, looks like you are SOL. The other side is the private corporations, and they only persue science that generates profits for them.

This is true in all areas of science, but for a great take on modern medical research, please read The Body Electric by Dr. Robert Becker (he's an orthopedic surgeon if I remember correctly). He was/is a pioneer in the field of limb regeneration and conducted facinating experiments with incredible implications, but had to struggle for every penny to do them. Check it out.....

What do you do for a job? I think you would make a great scientist. Maybe you could push for the pure advancement of knowledge.

Jack

[Former castleva]

"Of course, in it's purest form, science as an ideal is about truth, (therefore on this level, I agree with you).

But I also agree with PhantomFighter, the problem is that science is done by PEOPLE, and people have agendas. If you think that science is only done in the pure interest of science (validating ideas and pushing the envelope of knowledge), you haven't been around the block. Most science is conducted via grants (or by private corporations). Have you ever tried to get a grant? Talk about an agenda driven political nightmare!!!!! If the powers-that-be don't like you or your ideas, looks like you are SOL. The other side is the private corporations, and they only persue science that generates profits for them.

This is true in all areas of science, but for a great take on modern medical research, please read The Body Electric by Dr. Robert Becker (he's an orthopedic surgeon if I remember correctly). He was/is a pioneer in the field of limb regeneration and conducted facinating experiments with incredible implications, but had to struggle for every penny to do them. Check it out....."

I´m fairly aware,if at least not utterly unaware of these things,but I think you might be better pushing them in a different context.
Thanks for suggesting the book.

"What do you do for a job? I think you would make a great scientist. Maybe you could push for the pure advancement of knowledge. "

If you´re genuinely interested,you might want to pm and we can discuss such out.
Thanks for the compliment.

[Jack Squat]

Former

"......but I think you might be better pushing them in a different context."


What do you mean? Please elaborate......

Jack

[Former castleva]

I mean that this is not the "politics of science" forum.
I´m not suggesting at all that your previous lines would have been,but I´ve seen some strawmen being built along such lines around here in order to fell an argument.

[Jack Squat]

I mean that this is not the "politics of science" forum.

Former, you can't separate politics from science. That is one of my points.


I´m not suggesting at all that your previous lines would have been,but I´ve seen some strawmen being built along such lines around here in order to fell an argument. [/QUOTE]

I would never attempt to do that, but if I accidently do, I know I will have someone politely point it out for me!

TCM is a science. It is based on logic and relationships between variables. These variables can be used to predict outcomes. It's basic probability models. Once one comes to grips that the TCM logic has it's own set of rules, the rest is relatively easy.

Anyway, for good acupuncture research, go to my post on "scientific proof of acupuncture". I point this out only because you say that pulse diagnosis has no basis in science. That's what many used to say (and some still do, contrary to the scientific evidence) about acupuncture. Give it a few more years. As the NIH funding trickles in and more research is done, pulse diagnosis will be proven valid, just like acupuncture has.

Jack

[Jack Squat]

One last thing-

How in the heck do you get that "quotes" thing to work?????

[Former castleva]

Quotes?
I don´t know.Never bothered with it,but have received complaints about it in this forum.

I don´t have much to say about "scientific proof".I feel I´ve "been there" and arrived to my conclusions of what it is.
You (general) often talk about funding it seems,fair enough.If that´s where it used to rub wrong,then we will just have to wait as you said,and see.

[Jack Squat]

Former,

"I don't have much to say about "scientific proof".I feel I've "been there" and arrived to my conclusions of what it is."

You mean to say that you are not interested in looking into new data? How can you say that and at the same time say that you are a man of "science"? That is what's supposed to be the cornerstone of science. That statement is a perfect example of the politics of science. No new data needed, thank you. I don't care what evidence comes in, I have already made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the "facts".

Now do you see what I mean?


And yes, I do talk alot about funding. Like it or not, funding (or more accurately, "money") is what drives scientific research. If no funding, no research. No research = no advancement, no new insights, no breakthroughs. So the equasion is:

money=research, research=validity

therefore,

no money=no research, no research = no validity.

Whoever has the money controls the research. Whoever does research generally does it in their best interest. Who wants to do research in the best way to put themselves out of a job???

Jack

[Former castleva]

"You mean to say that you are not interested in looking into new data? How can you say that and at the same time say that you are a man of "science"? That is what's supposed to be the cornerstone of science. That statement is a perfect example of the politics of science. No new data needed, thank you. I don't care what evidence comes in, I have already made up my mind. Don't confuse me with the "facts".

Now do you see what I mean?"

Oh.I did not say any of that.

If there really is some new data for me to look at,in serious terms,then why not.

[Christopher M]

I'd like to second Former C's suggestion that Nothingness consult a western doctor if he has any symptoms that are bothering him. There's little to lose, but quite alot to gain. "Minor" symptoms like insomnia or depression or low energy can result from things like anemia, vitamin deficiency, or thyroid disorders. All of these are very easily detected and treated by a GP. If sleep disorders are a central problem, it could be some kind of apnea, which is easily diagnosed by a sleep specialist, and is very important to discover (as some forms can lead to very serious long term damage).

It would be nice to find out if something like this is going on. And if the western doctors don't find anything or can't help you, you can always continue with the eastern route, having lost nothing.

[ZIM]

Leaving aside all the usual claptrap about TCM not being 'scientific' or whatall...yes, a western allopath might be able to help you and is a reasonable suggestion.

A question though- I'm not familiar with this condition, though I'm starting to get an idea of what it is- something like a low-charged battery??? is the solution a "jump" [maybe thats the sutra idea?] or is it to get what's there flowing more efficiently then amping it up? Probably I'm totally misreading this.

On further thought: I guess my problem with this is, isn't the sexual energy one of the harder things to affect anyhow? Its the densest one, right? And would a reverse orbit help?

Whats going on with nothingness? any updates?